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How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)
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Brad Guth
13 years ago
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There’s no doubt that CFCs can reach the ozone layer, and along with
UV interact with O3, however as those CFCs tend to get nearly
cryogenic cold as would be necessary within those stratospheric polar
holes, they and other resulting molecular composites or molecular
derivatives such as heavy chlorine tend to fall back to Earth, whereas
helium remains inert and just slows down a little as it continually
migrates up and away from Earth and unavoidably gets picked by the
solar wind, that at times is considerable.

In other words, most of those natural and artificial CFCs do not
without assistance extensively linger within the nearly cryogenic (-85
C) polar ozone stratosphere, so they probably can not help to motivate
nor otherwise lubricate O3. The federal and somewhat international
enforced ban on CFCs (with exceptions of research, medical and
considerable military usage) has been extremely complex and spendy for
such an enforced policy that has provided damn little if any positive/
constructive impact towards reducing our polar ozone holes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2089537/Ozone-hole-Arctic-actually-caused-COLD-weather.html
“Observations over the past thirty years indicate that the
stratosphere in cold Arctic winters cooled down by about 1°C per
decade on the average.”

There we have our objective proof of “global cooling”? (not hardly)

4He on the other hand does a really fine job of maintaining its
molecular integrity as it fluffs and lubricates O3 and continually
migrates upward without ever binding to nor becoming anything other
than 4He, unless ionized into a highly conducting plasma (aka
lightening) which even helps to generate O3. This ozone unbinding
seems problematic.

Of course continually wasting or rather the wholesale venting of CFCs,
as our military industrial complex had been doing for decades and is
still practicing, is never offering a good nor wholesome kind of
environmental outcome (though most of everything humans do has been
negatively impacting our environment). Therefore replacing CFCs with
alternatives that are way more spendy and in some instances worse for
the environment but getting far less wasted or wholesale vented
without any attempt at recycling is a perfectly good thing unless it’s
causing national debt, unemployment, foreclosures and essentially
taking our food, medical care and retirement off the table.

In other words, ozone holes are a bit more complex and linked to the
natural and artificial diffusion of 4He as the primary culprit, with
CFCs as a contributing factor. Perhaps solar wind ionized 4He is the
give and take method of both creating and extracting O3, and the net
result without the likes of hard science via OCO is making it so much
harder to objectively quantify.

As our planet runs low or essentially out of its geology stored
helium(4He), as well known by Big Oil and most other Big Energy
(including all those in the know within major industry and government
agencies that have been told to keep their educated mouths shut on
this one, or else they can kiss their reelections and/or appointments
of authority plus whatever grants and other funding goodbye. This way
the true skulduggery culprits can best manage to keep their loot and
authority over us, and continue to insider market trade, speculate and
hoard their hydrocarbons plus dominating other markets as they
maneuver their wealth and authority in order to take fullest advantage
of the rest of us once again after their gas and oil wells run dry and
we’re down to converting coal resources into spendy and otherwise
negative energy gas and oil hydrocarbons that’ll be even more spendy
once the all-inclusive tally is taken.

So, by no later than 2050 is when those ozone holes are going to close
for good, though not only because of CFC reductions but because of a
global lack of 4He that we haven’t developed any affordable
alternative for. In other words, this is another full blown ruse that
our Usenet/newsgroup FUD-masters are pulling on us, as a grand sting
of global proportions and purely negative consequences for those of us
non-oligarchs, and of course it’s permitting further damage to the
global environment.

I’m not so much opposed to the following science interpretation, as
I’m merely favoring that helium plays a more important role that is
consistently involved with the demise of polar ozone.

http://www.meteoros.de/psc/psce.htm
“As long as the chloride exists as molecules, there is no ozone
decomposition. But as soon as the sun rises in the arctic spring, the
chloride molecules are dissociated by the ultraviolet radiation
(Lambda less than 450 nm), that means that they are split up into
chloride atoms of great reactivity. This sets free large amounts of
chloride atoms within a short time and starts an avalanche-like
decomposition of ozone which finally leads to the formation of the
ozone hole.
So the observation of NAT clouds allows a lot of conclusions on the
chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere. In the case of the
observation present the conditions of the stratosphere are documented
rather good and there are also some other observations of similar
cloud formations of that morning and the night before from
Scandinavia. So it is not improbable that it might have been the first
photographic documentation of NAT clouds in our latitudes.”

It’s quite conceivable that our planet has been gaining less than a
couple kg/sec, while otherwise losing more than a couple tonnes per
second (extensively due to our hydrocarbon extractions and otherwise
via natural diffusion of hydrogen and helium), and at some tipping
point this ongoing reduction in mass and its ozone depletion is going
to bite us in ways we haven’t even imagined. Reducing the mass of a
planet that’s only marginally balanced as is, can’t possibly be a good
thing.

Perhaps the Oligarch obfuscation policy of “don’t ask, don’t tell” and
denial of their being in denial is as good as it’s ever going to get,
and just as likely why they foiled our OCO mission, so that their
mining excavations, wellheads and those refinery vapors plus secondary
flaring that produces multiple carcinogens in addition to CO2, and
always their continuous release of helium are not given any public
awareness (much less published in any of our K12 textbooks).

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Brad Guth
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There’s no doubt that freons/CFCs can reach the ozone layer, and along
with UV interact with Ozone/O3, however as those CFCs tend to get
nearly cryogenic cold as would be necessary within those stratospheric
polar holes, they and other resulting molecular composites or
molecular derivatives such as heavy chlorine and other acids tend to
fall back to Earth, whereas helium remains inert and just slows down a
little as it continually migrates up and away from Earth and
unavoidably gets picked by the solar wind, that at times is
considerable.

In other words, most of those natural and artificial CFCs do not
without our assistance extensively linger within the nearly cryogenic
(-85 C) polar ozone stratosphere, so they probably can not help to
motivate nor otherwise liberate or displace O3 until the UV hits their
exposed environment. The federal and somewhat international enforced
ban on CFCs (with exceptions of research, medical and considerable
military usage) has been extremely complex and spendy for such an
enforced policy that has provided damn little if any positive/
constructive impact towards reducing our polar ozone holes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2089537/Ozone-hole-Arctic-actually-caused-COLD-weather.html
“Observations over the past thirty years indicate that the
stratosphere in cold Arctic winters cooled down by about 1°C per
decade on the average.”

There we have our objective proof of “global cooling”? (not hardly,
because as the rest of our planet warms up is why the polar
stratosphere is taking a nose dive)

Other groups in ozone/environmental research are just as equally
snookered and dumbfounded, as having entirely excluded helium as a
contributing factor. It’s a wonder that K12s even have a clue as to
what their parents, grandparents and generations before have done to
their planet.
http://dwb.unl.edu/teacher/nsf/c09/c09links/www.casahome.org/ozone.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone

4He on the other hand does a really fine job of maintaining its
molecular integrity as it fluffs and lubricates O3 and continually
migrates upward without ever binding to nor becoming anything other
than 4He, unless ionized into a highly conducting plasma (aka
lightening) which even helps to generate O3. This ozone unbinding
seems problematic.

Of course continually wasting or rather the wholesale venting of CFCs,
as our military industrial complex had been doing for decades and is
still practicing, is never offering a good nor wholesome kind of
environmental outcome (though most of everything humans do has been
negatively impacting our environment). Therefore replacing CFCs with
alternatives that are way more spendy and in some instances worse for
the environment but otherwise getting far less wasted or wholesale
vented without any attempt at recycling, is a perfectly good thing
unless it’s causing national debt, unemployment, foreclosures and
essentially taking our food, medical care and retirement off the
table.

In other words, ozone holes have become a bit more complex and linked
to the natural and artificial diffusion of 4He as the primary culprit,
with CFCs as a contributing factor. Perhaps solar wind ionized 4He is
the give and take method of both creating and extracting O3, and the
net result without the likes of hard science via OCO is making it so
much harder to objectively quantify.

As our planet runs low or essentially out of its geology stored
helium(4He), as well known by Big Oil and most other Big Energy
(including all those in the know within major industry and government
agencies that have been told to keep their educated mouths shut on
this one, or else they can kiss their reelections and/or appointments
of authority plus whatever grants and other funding goodbye. This way
the true skulduggery culprits can best manage to keep their loot and
maintain authority over us, and continue to insider market trade,
speculate and hoard their hydrocarbons plus dominating other markets
as they maneuver their wealth and authority in order to take fullest
advantage of the rest of us once again after their gas and oil wells
run dry and we’re down to converting the dregs of coal resources into
spendy and otherwise negative energy gas and oil hydrocarbons that’ll
be even more spendy once the all-inclusive tally is taken.

So, by no later than 2050 is when those ozone holes are going to close
for good, though not only because of CFC reductions but because of a
global lack of 4He that we haven’t developed any affordable
alternative for. In other words, this is another full blown ruse that
our Usenet/newsgroup FUD-masters are pulling on us, as a grand sting
of global proportions and purely negative consequences for those of us
non-oligarchs, and of course it’s permitting further damage to the
global environment.

I’m not so much opposed to the following mainstream science
interpretation, as I’m merely favoring that helium plays a more
aggressive role that is consistently involved with the ongoing demise
of polar ozone.

http://www.meteoros.de/psc/psce.htm
“As long as the chloride exists as molecules, there is no ozone
decomposition. But as soon as the sun rises in the arctic spring, the
chloride molecules are dissociated by the ultraviolet radiation
(Lambda less than 450 nm), that means that they are split up into
chloride atoms of great reactivity. This sets free large amounts of
chloride atoms within a short time and starts an avalanche-like
decomposition of ozone which finally leads to the formation of the
ozone hole.
So the observation of NAT clouds allows a lot of conclusions on the
chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere. In the case of the
observation present the conditions of the stratosphere are documented
rather good and there are also some other observations of similar
cloud formations of that morning and the night before from
Scandinavia. So it is not improbable that it might have been the first
photographic documentation of NAT clouds in our latitudes.”

It’s quite conceivable that our planet has been gaining less than a
couple kg/sec, while otherwise our planet has been losing more than a
couple tonnes per second (extensively due to our hydrocarbon
extractions and otherwise via natural diffusion of hydrogen and
helium), and at some tipping point this ongoing reduction in mass and
its polar ozone depletion is going to bite us in ways we haven’t even
imagined (if it already hasn’t). Reducing the mass of a planet that’s
only marginally balanced as is, can’t possibly be a good thing,
although artificially creating CO2 and NOx isn’t exactly good either.

Perhaps the Oligarch obfuscation policy of “don’t ask, don’t tell” and
denial of their being in denial is as good as it’s ever going to get,
and just as likely why they foiled our OCO mission so that their
mining excavations, wellheads and those refinery vapors plus secondary
flaring that produce multiple carcinogens in addition to CO2 and NOx,
and always their continuous release of helium are not given any public
awareness (much less published in any of our K12 textbooks). At least
by 2050 we’ll no longer have to worry about any significant artificial
release of 4He, because by then our stored reserves will have been
depleted and having to extract it from the atmosphere could become
worth $100/scf, and its availability via fracking at less than 0.1%
per volume there may no longer be enough available to sustain 10% of
global needs (if that much).

The good news, is that by the time extensive studies upon studies and
whatever containment, environmental safety and public health measures
are implemented (public funded and otherwise built into to the
inflated price of hydrocarbons), those toxic and carcinogenic elements
along with helium within the vast bulk of our geologically stored
helium will have been depleted and released, mostly via oil and
natural gas exploitation and its consumption which passes 100% of any
4He. Once down to having less than 0.1% 4He per average volume of
natural gas is going to put a serious and spendy crimp on its
availability, but that’s only going to be a problem for the next
generations because, they’re the ones that’ll get to suffer and pay
the most for what their parents and grandparents did, or rather as
having failed to do.

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Brad Guth
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Some more good news:
The current nonrenewable abundance of helium/4He is actually an anti-
greenhouse gas, because it’s essentially 100% transparent and
represents only a wee bit of mass per given atmospheric volume, and
when it’s mostly gone we’ll likely have more ozone/O3 protecting us,
but we’ll also have something less than the usual 5.24 ppm from
natural 4He diffusion as well as hardly any of our artificially
extracted 4He migrating upwards because of its extreme value making it
a high priority element to recapture and recycle.

By 2050 our natural gas extractions showing depletion trauma and
especially oil wells should be running on near empty (other than
fracking and oily sand or synfuels from coal which offers very little
4He), with their upper most gasses extracted and thus nearly depleted
of helium, by then we should also have somewhat less lightening and
thereby hopefully fewer fires from those lightening strikes, because
with a lower saturation of such an ionizing gas as 4He should help
reduce the number or severity of those lightening strikes. However,
with a continual reduction of this anti-greenhouse gas we’ll have to
deal with retaining a bit more solar influx that’ll likely heat the
atmosphere as having somewhat less helium escapement that’s constantly
migrating up and away at roughly 1 ppm.

With minimal if any polar ozone holes should be an improvement for
us. However, it’s kinda hard to tell which way these molecular
benefits or consequences are going to take us, except to assume that
if we continually ignore all the signs will likely not become anything
better off for future generations that may need a great deal of 4He
for terrestrial science, physics, military, industrial and commercial
usage, and few if any will be able to afford those helium filled party
balloons at $100 a pop. The ongoing tactic of continually dumbing
down our current and future K12s can only go so far, because we’ll
still have to retain some basic science and physics smarts if we’re to
contribute and compete with other nations.

Accounting for energy cost inflation (aka Big Energy greed), by 2050
it should cost at the very least $10/scf to extract 4He from the
atmosphere, and because of its limited supply via fracking is why
it’ll likely wholesale or possibly retail for $100/scf, making those
spendy party balloons as rented gas because they’d have to be returned
for a 90% refund.

With our planet getting back down to losing only 10~20 kg/sec instead
of a tonne/sec should have multiple other benefits, especially as our
sun keeps getting nastier. It would be a shame to constantly lose our
hydrogen and helium without first getting as much benefit as possible
from either of those.

I still favor that the fission innards of our planet is capable of
producing at least 3.15e7 kg of 4He/year (a good ten fold more than
our mainstream science has been telling us), of which we could
continually tap into and manage to capture at least 0.1% of that
fission produced 4He indefinitely, but that’s only 3.15e4 kg/year and
we’ll likely need at least a thousand times that much. So the next
alternative for acquiring 4He is going to have to be off-world unless
some monstrous natural reservoirs are discovered and not allowed to
get squandered.

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Some good news:
The current nonrenewable abundance (because we’re extracting at least
ten fold more than natural production and releasing or venting yet
another ten fold = 100 times as much as natural fission production) of
helium/4He is actually an anti-greenhouse gas, because it’s
essentially 100% transparent and represents only a wee bit of mass per
given atmospheric volume, and when it’s mostly gone we’ll likely have
more ozone/O3 protecting us, but we’ll also have something less than
the usual 5.24 ppm from natural 4He diffusion as well as hardly any of
our artificially extracted 4He migrating upwards because of its
extreme value making it a high priority element to recapture and
recycle.

By 2050 our natural gas extractions showing depletion trauma and
especially oil wells should be running on near empty (other than
fracking and oily sand or synfuels from coal which offers very little
4He), with their upper most gasses extracted and thus nearly depleted
of helium, by then we should also have somewhat less lightening and
thereby hopefully fewer fires from those lightening strikes, because
with a lower saturation of such an ionizing gas as 4He should help
reduce the number or severity of those lightening strikes. However,
with a continual reduction of this anti-greenhouse gas we’ll have to
deal with retaining a bit more solar influx that’ll likely heat the
atmosphere as having somewhat less helium escapement that’s constantly
migrating up and away at roughly 1 ppm.

With minimal if any polar ozone holes should be an improvement for
us. However, it’s kinda hard to tell which way these molecular
benefits or consequences are going to take us, except to assume that
if we continually ignore all the signs will likely not become anything
better off for future generations that may need a great deal of 4He
for terrestrial science, physics, military, industrial and commercial
usage, and few if any will be able to afford those helium filled party
balloons at $100 a pop. The ongoing tactic of continually dumbing
down our current and future K12s can only go so far, because we’ll
still have to retain some basic science and physics smarts if we’re to
contribute and compete with other nations.

Accounting for energy cost inflation (aka Big Energy greed), by 2050
it should cost at the very least $10/scf to extract 4He from the
atmosphere, and because of its limited supply via fracking is why
it’ll likely wholesale or possibly retail for $100/scf, making those
spendy party balloons as rented gas because they’d have to be returned
for a 90% refund.

With our planet getting back down to losing only 10~20 kg/sec instead
of a tonne/sec should have multiple other benefits, especially as our
sun keeps getting nastier. It would be a shame to constantly lose our
hydrogen and helium without first getting as much benefit as possible
from either of those.

I still favor that the fission innards of our planet is capable of
producing at least 3.15e7 kg of 4He/year (a good ten fold more than
our mainstream geology science has been telling us), of which we could
continually tap into and manage to capture at least 0.1% of that
fission produced 4He indefinitely, but that’s only 3.15e4 kg/year and
we’ll likely need at least a thousand times that much. So the next
alternative for acquiring 4He is going to have to be off-world unless
some monstrous natural reservoirs are discovered and not allowed to
get squandered.

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Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
considerable amount of its 4He, especially considering its thick and
dense atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter environment with
hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those solar winds.

“Venus, the forbidden planet (3.0) / Brad Guth”
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Our own 4He reserves are about to run out, and the natural geology
diffusion rate of 4He isn’t going to cover 1% of our future
terrestrial needs. This is becoming a serious problem (especially as
India and China get with their own advancing technology) that’ll have
future generations asking; what the hell were their parents and
grandparents thinking?

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Brad Guth
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Does anyone here think helium/4He has nothing to do with affecting
ozone/O3, or with creating those polar ozone holes?
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Brad Guth
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Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
considerable amount of its fission produced 4He, especially
significant considering its thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90%
gravity and its way hotter environment with hardly any protective
magnetosphere to fend off those solar winds from easily extracting its
4He, and supposedly no local industrial complex that’s artificially
releasing any of its 4He.

“Venus, the forbidden planet (3.0) / Brad Guth”
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Our own 4He reserves (commercial and natural) are about to run out,
and the geology diffusion rate of 4He at best isn’t going to cover 1%
of our future terrestrial needs (actually we’d be damn lucky to
recapture 0.1% of what natural fission produced 4He there is). Unless
our planet is creating ten fold more fission produced helium and
hiding those volumes of vast geode pockets of it, this shortage of 4He
is fast becoming a serious problem (especially as India and China get
with their own advancing technology that’ll each need as much or more
4He than is currently being supplied) that’ll have future generations
asking; what the hell were their parents and grandparents thinking?

If our planet runs low or out of its accessible 4He, there’s always
the off-world exploitation prospects of digging into our moon, or just
taking whatever nature spits up from within Venus that can’t be all
that worthless.

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Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
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question:
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Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
considerable amount of its fission produced 4He, especially
significant considering its thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90%
gravity and its way hotter environment with hardly any protective
magnetosphere to fend off those solar winds from easily extracting its
4He.

“Venus, the forbidden planet (3.0) / Brad Guth”
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/2a2e525d735ec29d/82c239aaa31f3431#82c239aaa31f3431

Our own 4He reserves are about to run out, and the natural geology
diffusion rate of 4He isn’t going to cover 1% of our future
terrestrial needs. This is fast becoming a serious problem
(especially as India and China get with their own advancing technology
that’ll need 4He) that’ll have future generations asking; what the
hell were their parents and grandparents thinking?

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FYI; it’s helium/4He (not so much CFCs) that destroys our protective
ozone(O3). To effectively get rid of O3, simply add a molecular
dispersant/lubricant, such as an outflux of 4He that doesn’t bind to
anything.

The good news, is that within a few years of continued pillaging and
plundering of global resources, our combined natural and artificial
outflux of 4He is going to greatly diminish, whether we like it or
not, and eventually to fill a party balloon with 4He will only cost
$10.

Here’s another good thing about exploiting our moon with its exosphere
only 30,000 He/cm3, and especially the extremely nearby planet Venus
that seems to have had way more than its fair share of atmospheric
helium, namely 12 ppm (as opposed to our wussy 5.24 ppm and 95 fold
less atmospheric mass) as having 4He laced within its extremely thick
and dense atmosphere, not to mention whatever’s spewing from numerous
surface geothermal vents and likely held within internal geode gas
pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could be
holding 1e15 kg if not 1e16 kg of 4He that’s currently not worth all
that much, although by 2050 this looming terrestrial shortage of 4He
could become quite another issue. The innards of our moon should also
have those usual volumes of 4He from its uranium and thorium fission
plus a few other fission worthy elements in addition to the cosmic
radiation influx as having been creating 3He, except for the extremely
thick, fused and paramagnetic basalt crust of our moon has been less
diffusing or leaking less of its 4He, and practically none of its 3He
that’s tapped in fused basalt and perhaps carbonado.

Our own terrestrial helium depletion or peak helium era is nearly upon
us, though all we have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll
literally go away. By 2050 the maximum world extraction rate of
helium will supposedly peak at 50000 tonnes(5e7 kg/year), whereas the
current rate of depletion is estimated as 3.6e7 kg/year. However, the
drop-off or cutoff will likely be a whole lot sooner and much steeper
if there’s a ten fold increase in demand, unless it’s discovered that
the geology of our planet that supposedly has only at most 1e10 kg to
spare (of which we’ll be lucky to ever access 10% of that), is holding
out on us.
http://www.roperld.com/science/minerals/Helium.htm
http://www.uskowioniran.com/2011/09/discovery-of-huge-helium-reserves-at.html
“Iran’s Pars Oil and Gas Company (POGC) announced today that it has
discovered the world's biggest helium reserve in its South Pars gas
field. POGC estimated the volume of South Pars helium reserves at 10
billion cubic meters, approximately 25 percent of the world’s known
reserves [Mehr News Agency, 30 September]. The South Pars gas field is
shared by Qatar and Iran. Qatar is already producing some helium. The
US is the world's leading supplier of helium, followed by Algeria.

The world’s annual production of helium is approximately 200 million
cubic meters. The main use of the gas is in cryogenic applications,
particularly in the cooling of superconducting magnets in MRI
scanners. Helium is also the gas of choice to fill airships and
blimps.”
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If we should manage to locate and capture only 1% of the global 4He
natural cache that’s supposedly worth only 1e10 kg (before it manages
to diffuse or leak away on its own), gives us 1e8 kg from which to
sustain our current draw of 3.6e7 kg/year, and that’s roughly three
years worth. Personally I think Earth will manage to offer
considerably more, as will as the fission produced helium will likely
be reinterpreted as offering something better than ten fold greater
than currently mainstream status-quo specified as merely 3e6 kg/yr.

At least for the moment 4He is relatively cheap, but that’s only
because of a very large surplus of natural gas has most of the 4He in
stored inventory as overflowing and getting bulk vented because of
insufficient storage. However, once that volume gets nearly depleted
from a global demand that has grown by ten fold, is when the limited
resupply is going to allow its price per scf or m3 to literally go
through the roof.

No doubt India also has access to substantial natural gas fields
offering a higher than average percentage of helium, however, if the
global helium demand should increases by ten fold (as it likely will),
and thereby the extraction of 3.6e8 kg/year becoming necessary, could
deplete the vast bulk of everything we know of (1e10 kg) within as
little as 30 years. So, perhaps we’ll have to start accusing India
and Iran’s Pars Oil and Gas Company(POGC) of sponsoring terrorism or
hiding WMD, and/or if nothing else we can always accuse them of
hoarding uranium and thorium reserves for evil extortion reasons of
promoting their own global Islamic/Muslim domination. In other words,
besides the vast wealth of liquid oil and natural gas hydrocarbons
under Islamic/Muslim ownership and control, it seems that they also
have another treasure trove of soon to be extremely valuable helium,
plus their having the necessary uranium and thorium reserves to boot,
means that their future of thorium powered energy that’s relatively
failsafe and cheap is a done deal.

Of course this interpreted volume of commercially extracted 4He
doesn’t even include the natural diffusion as geology leakage taking
place, that’s required in order to sustain the 5.24 ppm of atmospheric
saturation. Perhaps using the modern physics of fusion to
artificially create 4He from hydrogen may arrive just in the nick of
time, but it too will be somewhat spendy because fusion energy is also
the ultimate WMD.

3He is actually good/better for just about everything besides creating
those fusion bombs that our NIF has been working on, including its use
in party balloons. Problems is, unlike the relatively cheap 4He, 3He
is already scarce and spendy as hell because our shielded planet has
hardly any of that element, and thus far we have managed to toss away
the bulk of our 4He laced within natural gas that also includes a
smaller 1e-4 proportion of 3He (no wonder our protective layer of
ozone/O3 has that big gaping hole over either pole).

Unlike the physically dark surface of our naked moon that should be
loaded with 3He, our shielded Earth has relatively little of that
element to spare, plus we're running ourselves out of 4He within the
next three decades or at least by 2050 it could become practically
nonexistent other than whatever internal thorium and uranium are
capable of producing, that’s being suggested as limited to as little
as 3e6 kg/year (roughly 1% of our future needs if 100% of that fission
produced helium could even be captured, though I'd kind of doubt we
could manage to capture .001% before it leaks off and gets blown away
by the solar wind). In other words, those precious elements of 4He
and 3He are literally on their way out, and the rate of their natural
replenishment is not going to be .001% sufficient unless we can manage
to artificially create helium and without that method being too spendy
or otherwise too negative consequential.

Even if the natural rate of 4He replenishment were capable of
sustaining 3e7 kg/year, and we managed to capture 0.1% of it, is only
worth 3e4 kg/year. The LHC needs to circulate nearly 100 tonnes(1e5
kg) of 4He without any backup reserves, of which that one application
alone exceeds the annually produced resource by 33:1, and there’s all
sorts of other commercial, industrial, medical, aerospace,
astrophysics plus other research and retail needs for helium. Shale
gas via explosive fracking and extensive ground water polluting
probably doesn’t contain as much natural helium, and as other nations
catch on and attempt to modernize and equalize their own foreign
exchange disparity, the future demand for this rare element of helium
could easily reach 3.6e8 kg/year (clearly unsustainable once global
stored reserves are depleted).

Helium is by far not the only terrestrial shortage:
A global shortage of diamond could also be resolved off-world. As for
carbonado(aka black diamond), being really nifty for all sorts of
applications besides continuous tether fibers, and being easily
produced in the hard vacuum of space or even upon our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon, in unlimited volume that's easily transported
to/from just about anywhere, should be at least considered as one of
the cheapest raw elements of mostly carbon that can be artificially
obtained and processed into just about anything.

A question I have: Are you and other Oligarch Rothschilds planning on
making us wait until the very last terrestrial tonne of everything of
any value is about to run out? (at which time you ZNRs may have to
fake and/or false-flag us into another war in order to artificially
inflate the global price via hoarding and insider market speculation,
plus otherwise steal the scarce remainder of helium, diamond and heavy
rare element metals from others). Of course, while obtaining off-
world helium(s), undoubtedly there should be many other elements of
extremely valuable rare-earths that will have to also get processed
and put into terrestrial circulation, unless our Oligarchs are
planning on insider speculating and hoarding those as well.

By going off-world, many rare and valuable elements and complex
solutions can be discovered, excavated and/or processed with fewer
social/political or environmental restrictions while on the fly (so to
speak), and efficiently transferred back to Earth or the highest
bidder. Of course that’s not going to happen as long as we keep the
old guard of our Oligarchs in charge, and never bother to look back.

The still unexplained loss of our OCO mission of Earth science
(unusually foiled similar to other previous failures), is perhaps just
another prime example of FUD and how we’re otherwise being kept
uninformed and mislead into believing only whatever our handlers want
us to believe, as history that’s usually configured for making them
look super good and way smarter than the rest of us.

In addition to what our nicely sunlit planet w/moon and others similar
have to offer, those as wandering icy rogue/nomad planets could be
every bit as good or better, such as those lakes under thick
Antarctica ice remain fluid not because of our planet having a sun,
nor having anything to do with our AGW, but only because of the
ongoing 64+ TW of internal heat that’s mostly from a combination of
geophysical modulation plus fission within Earth, plus a certain
amount of gravity tidal modulation that’s keeping our flexible planet
with it’s extremely thin crust a little extra warm from the inside
out, at an average surface bedrock heat loss of perhaps 128 mw/m2.
From the surface, we humans manage to add roughly half again that
amount of thermal energy into everything from the surface on up (still
considerably less than what nature contributes), and of course we have
our sun that’s less than ideally stable, plus our nifty moon that’s
contributing via radiating its own IR of 1220 w/m2, plus contributing
2e20 N of tidal force that’s continually modulating throughout the
whole fluid body of our planet, which may help to explain where some
of the internal heat is coming from besides a core and mantel of
fission that’s responsible for creating the bulk of our helium that
we’re about to run ourselves out of a sufficient annual volume, mostly
because the vast majority of this helium has simply been discarded,
passed through or directly vented.

Of course our modern day K12s and most others are no longer getting
educated as near smart enough to care about any natural or artificial
loss of helium, just like the Oligarchs could care less if all the
natural ice on Earth melted, and ocean levels increased by tens of
meters or whatever extreme weather of storms and/or droughts became
ten fold worse off. I mean to suggest, when these Oligarch
Rothschilds own a fleet of business jets and Mega Yachts plus multiple
villas in addition to several multimillion dollar condos around the
world, is why they really don’t have to worry if any one of those
habitats is inconvenienced or disrupted by extreme weather or should
ever get flooded out because of rising ocean levels, because they are
fully insured or so wealthy that they don’t care if 10% of their
estate holdings get damaged.

On Apr 24, 6:53 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: well, so, What?
: : I replied;
: : 4He migrates directly through ozone. It doesn't bind, it dilutes
: : or displaces ozone as well as it acts as a molecular lubricant.

The "well, so, What?" is that our government and its faith-based mafia
of Oligarchs that get to operate as our public-funded overlords and
robber barons regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, have been
systematically telling us another pack of lies upon lies, as well as
having been creating and sustaining wars, costing us millions of lives
plus trillions of our hard earned loot, not to mention wasting
precious decades and ultimately they seem intent upon keeping us from
going off-world until they've fully exploited this planet and gotten
every last drop of blood and dime out of us.

Obviously that doesn't bother those that never want their white-washed
version of history to ever get investigated and/or forbid ever revised
in order to suit the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Therefore
K12s have been kept snookered or just distracted and dumbfounded past
the point of no return.

The really good news, is that by 2050 if not much sooner, those large
gaping holes in our protective ozone layer should start to close up,
because there will have been a sudden and significant reduction of
released helium, along with perhaps 99% of our remaining commercial
inventory of helium getting recycled because it’s just too spendy to
waste, exactly as it should have been as of decades ago and before
having made those polar ozone holes worse than ever.

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Helium/4He acts very much like an inert and indestructible golf ball
to that of any three Velcro covered basketballs representing O3. 4He
is just small and tough enough to work its way around and through the
likes of any threesome of Velcro covered basketballs, which as
representing ozone stick to each other in threes and thereby creating
a terrific UV shield plus attenuating other nasty radiation. 4He is
acting somewhat like a release agent, allowing other molecules to not
get so sticky or collected that they can’t individually go with the
flow (so to speak) and recirculate as O2s instead of O3s.

Since O3 is essentially highly charged O2s, there’s a reasonably good
chance that any nearby 4He is simply getting ionized and thus
discharging the O3s so that each O2 unbinds into individually
discharged O2s. This doesn’t have to mean that CFCs are ozone
friendly.

Lucky for us, we’re helping mother nature get rid of O3 along with
purging all the accessible stored helium, and we’ve already oversold
or overbooked the natural fission production of helium by a good
1000:1, because 99.9% of what gets created within Earth is going to
continually escape to space regardless of our best intentions and
efforts to capture it before it gets away. What remains affordably
accessible to us are those deep geode pockets or layers of natural gas
that’s includes accumulations of helium, and we’re going hard at
extracting those plus otherwise fracking it from places where geode
pockets of gas and oil don’t happen to exist.

Give or take a decade, by 2050 we’ll be sorry in a whole lot more ways
than not being able to fill those party balloons with helium.

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Helium/4He acts very much like an inert and indestructible golf ball
to that of any three Velcro covered basketballs of O3. 4He is just
small and tough enough to work its way around and through the likes of
any threesome of Velcro covered basketballs, which as representing
ozone stick to each other in threes and thereby creating a terrific UV
shield plus attenuating other nasty radiation. 4He is acting somewhat
like a release agent, allowing other molecules to not get so sticky or
collected that they can’t individually go with the flow (so to speak)
and recirculate as O2s instead of O3s.

Since O3 is essentially highly charged O2s, there’s a reasonably good
chance that any nearby 4He is simply getting ionized and thus
discharging the O3s so that each O2 unbinds into individually
discharged O2s. This doesn’t have to mean that CFCs are ozone
friendly.

Lucky for us, we’re helping mother nature get rid of O3 along with
purging all the accessible stored helium, and we’ve already oversold
or overbooked the natural fission production of helium by a good
1000:1, because 99.9% of what gets created within Earth is going to
continually escape to space regardless of our best intentions and
efforts to capture it before it gets away. What remains affordably
accessible to us are those geode pockets or layers of natural gas
that’s includes accumulations of helium, and we’re going at those plus
fracking it from places where geode pockets don’t happen to exist.

Give or take a decade, by 2050 we’ll be sorry.

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We're almost there, or at least gotten ourselves past the 4He tipping
point of peak helium. From here on out it only gets spendy.

Off-world 4He and especially 3He may soon (within the next generation)
become the only affordable option. This would also be a very good
thing for salvaging our thin layer of highly charged O3.

Helium/4He acts very much like an inert and indestructible golf ball
to that of any three Velcro covered basketballs representing O3. 4He
is just small and tough enough to work its way around and through the
likes of any threesome of Velcro covered basketballs, which as
representing ozone stick to each other in threes and thereby creating
a terrific UV shield plus attenuating other nasty radiation. 4He is
acting somewhat like a release agent, allowing other molecules to not
get so sticky or collected that they can’t individually go with the
flow (so to speak) and recirculate as O2s instead of O3s.

Since O3 is essentially comprised of highly charged O2s, there’s a
reasonably good chance that any nearby 4He that comes in contact is
simply getting ionized, and thus discharging the O3s so that each O2
unbinds into individually discharged O2s. This doesn’t have to mean
that CFCs and the subsequent chlorine plus a few other culprits are
ozone friendly.

Lucky for us, we’re helping mother nature get rid of polar ozone/O3
along with purging all the accessible stored helium we can find, and
we’ve already oversold or overbooked the natural fission production of
helium by a good 1000:1, because 99.9% of what gets created within
Earth is going to continually escape to space regardless of our best
intentions and efforts to capture it before it gets away. What
remains affordably accessible to us are those deep geode pockets or
layers of natural gas that includes accumulations of helium, and we’re
going hard at extracting those reservoirs plus otherwise fracking it
from places where geode pockets or pools of gas and oil don’t happen
to exist.

Give or take a decade, by 2050 we’ll be sorry in a whole lot more ways
than not being able to affordably fill those party balloons with
helium.

For obtaining those off-world resources, EML1(Earth Moon L1)
represents a terrific zero delta-V gateway or OASIS from which any
amount of mass could be sent on its way with the push-off from a pinky
finger, using the moon or Earth gravity as the initial propulsion (aka
free of charge), not to mention dipole tether energy of teravolts and
the farads represented by the moon itself.

From within the moon should be considerable hydrogen, helium and
oxygen, not to mention heavy metals and most of everything in between.

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I’m right about the mostly natural aerosol of helium doing our ozone/
O3 protective layer harm, as I’m right about Venus being capable of
hosting some kind of intelligent other life, and that our physically
dark moon isn’t nearly as inert and worthless as our NASA mainstream
Apollo era had us snookered into thinking, that it was such an inert
pastel gray and crystal dry kind of worthless hard vacuum environment
that was relatively harmless to walk on and use Kodak film, but
otherwise being good for nothing, as well as for its MEL1 as being
taboo/nondisclosure rated because that too wasn’t given any scientific
or physics value.

The not so good news is; Long before we start running low on natural
gas and oil hydrocarbons, our natural reservoirs of helium will be
depleted and only 0.1% from whatever the fission innards of Earth
creates will be obtainable, because the other 99.9% is going to escape
to space (with a great deal of applied technology, we might be able to
extract 1% of the natural global production, covering perhaps 0.1% of
global needs). This means that only recycled and artificially created
4He via fission reactors and off-world resources will become the
resupply of future helium needs.

Many years ago I’d also suggested and subsequently argued against all
redneck FUD-master odds, that our wholesale pollution along with less
snow and ice covered ocean and land had been global dimming our
planet, as well as less moderating weather extremes, reduced fresh
water and further increasing temperatures that’ll produce additional
atmospheric water vapor which increases nighttime clouds, as also
unavoidably increasing our GW/AGW, and now this gets published:
http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/63506-pollution-in-thunderclouds-increases-global-warming
Sorry about that, of my being right once again. Perhaps relocating
our moon to EL1 as a terrific geoengineering solution to our GW+AGW
should be given another consideration.

Of course for the rich and powerful, any amount of GW+AGW or lack of
helium and it’s ongoing damage to our ozone/O3 layer is not a problem,
especially since they hardly pay for their personal needs of living
large anyway. If anything about GW+AGW, it’s going to make the
Oligarch Rothschilds even richer and more powerful, because they’re in
charge regardless of whoever we elect or appoint (not even a
Presidential Executive Order has any clout over them).

This is the main reason why off-world mining and those better
resources of rare elements are not getting funded or otherwise
expedited by those of the upper most 0.0001% that are essentially in
charge of what their puppet government can or can not do, or allow
others to do without dire consequences.

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As the 4He migrates through the 30 km layer of O3s, it tends to
lubricate or liberate O3s as the UV interacts with O1, O2, O3+4He,
because the aerosol of 4He gets to come in direct contact with
anything in its path.

As 4He comes in direct contact with O1+O2 (O3) as the threesome or tri-
atomic of big oxygen atoms, the molecular binding process that makes
O3 can be disrupted and even neutralized by the much smaller 4He atom
passing through.

When 4He is not ionized it acts as a perfect nonconductive insulator
(molecular lubricant), and if excited or ionized is when it highly
conducts between other molicules. Because 4He doesn’t directly bind
with anything, makes it an ideal molecular independent or freelance
agent that gets to do (act/react) as it pleases. This kind of aerosol
freelance or nomadic ability is not a good thing for the threesome of
ozone, and the more of it that we release the more disruptive it is
for sustaining the O3/ozone layer that some of us believe is highly is
beneficial to life as we know it, because it filters out or attenuates
the bad amounts of UV and a bit of other radiation from our sun, moon
and the other stars. In other words, without the O3 layer we’d become
extensively blind and suffer many other debilitating skin cancer
issues that obviously Big Oil and other Big Energy could care less
about because they honestly don’t consider 4He as anything than a
nearly worthless inert aerosol gas, unless you’re in the balloon,
blimp or LHC industry.

Well the good news is that it will not be a terrestrial resource for
very long, because natural geology pockets or geode reservoirs of
natural gas containing roughly 1% 4He are about to run out, and
supposedly the ongoing fission within Earth only regenerates at most
3.65e6 kg/year (ten tonnes/day), of which with advanced technology
we’ll be lucky to recapture 0.1% of that, or just 10 kg/day (roughly
10% of current needs and perhaps only 1% of future needs), and that
form of terrestrial 4He recovery is going to be extremely spendy
compared to current methods. This means the artificial leakage or
release of the 4He aerosol will become so infrequent that its affect
on O3/ozone will become limited as to only what 4He naturally diffuses
and gets away from Earth. By 2050 those polar ozone holes should
vanish, and our highly protective layer of O3 should stabilize, as
well as the loss of mass from our planet should subside to a level
which we can live with, because as is if our planet receives only 2 kg/
sec of mass influx and we continually lose 2 t/sec of mostly our
precious helium and always hydrogen is not a good thing, especially if
it keeps making big holes in our protective ozone layer.

The implications of mass loss are truly numerous, but then only those
of us that are not sufficiently rich and powerful need to concern
ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because the
Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less.

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As 4He migrates through the 30 km layer of O3s, it tends to lubricate
or liberate O3s as the UV interacts with O1, O2, O3+4He, because the
aerosol of 4He gets to come in direct contact with anything in its
path.

As 4He comes in direct contact with O1+O2 (O3) as the threesome or tri-
atomic of big oxygen atoms, the molecular binding process that makes
O3 can be disrupted and even neutralized by the much smaller 4He atom
passing through.

When 4He is not ionized it acts as a perfect nonconductive insulator
(molecular lubricant), and if excited or ionized is when it highly
conducts between other molicules. Because 4He doesn’t directly bind
with anything, makes it an ideal molecular independent or freelance
agent that gets to do (act/react) as it pleases. This kind of aerosol
freelance or nomadic ability is not a good thing for the threesome of
ozone, and the more of it that we release the more disruptive it is
for sustaining the O3/ozone layer that some of us believe is highly is
beneficial to life as we know it, because it filters out or attenuates
the bad amounts of UV and a bit of other radiation from our sun, moon
and the other stars. In other words, without the O3 layer we’d become
extensively blind and suffer many other debilitating skin cancer
issues that obviously Big Oil and other Big Energy could care less
about because they honestly don’t consider 4He as anything than a
nearly worthless inert aerosol gas, unless you’re in the balloon,
blimp or LHC industry.

(math corrections):
Well the good news is that this 4He will not be a terrestrial resource
issue for very long, because natural geology pockets or geode
reservoirs of natural gas containing roughly 1% 4He are about to run
out, and supposedly the ongoing fission within Earth only regenerates
at most 3.65e6 kg/year (10 t/day) and globally we’re taking out 100 t/
day(116 kg/sec), of which with advanced technology we’ll be lucky to
recapture 0.1% of that, or just 10 kg/day (roughly .01% of current
needs and perhaps only .001% of future needs), and that form of
terrestrial 4He recovery is going to become extremely spendy compared
to current methods. This means the artificial leakage or release of
the 4He aerosol will become so infrequent that its affect on O3/ozone
will become limited as to only what 4He naturally diffuses and gets
away from Earth. By 2050 those polar ozone holes should vanish, and
our highly protective layer of O3 should stabilize, as well as the
loss of mass from our planet should subside to a level which we can
live with, because as is if our planet receives only 2 kg/sec of mass
influx and we continually lose perhaps 2 t/sec of mostly our precious
helium and always hydrogen is not a good thing, especially when the
loss of helium in addition to other artificial contributions keeps
making those big holes in our protective ozone layer.

The implications of mass loss are truly numerous, but then only those
of us that are not sufficiently rich and powerful need to concern
ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because the
Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less.

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Venus may still be mainstream forbidden/taboo for most of us that
can’t think outside the box, but it does seem to have more than its
fair share of helium, and that’s a very good thing for our planet
that’s about to run out. Of course such an abundance of 4He also
indicates that Venus has lots of uranium and thorium to spare, or
perhaps suggesting that its uranium and thorium isn’t nearly as old as
ours. Either way, the 4He of Venus is going to save our butts, unless
there’s a hidden cache/reservoir of 4He within our moon.

Currently our terrestrial 4He simply isn’t rare enough to worry about,
as well as we’re running out of artificial storage capacity for it,
and the surplus is just getting vented or passed along with the
natural gas that’s used by everyone. However, within this decade
that’s about to change, because by 2030 its availability isn’t going
to be sufficient nor endless.

As 4He migrates through the 30 km layer of O3s, it tends to lubricate
or liberate O3s as the UV interacts with O1, O2, O3+4He, because the
aerosol of 4He gets to come in direct contact with anything in its
path.

As 4He comes in direct contact with O1+O2 (O3) as the threesome or tri-
atomic of big oxygen atoms, the molecular binding process that makes
O3 can be disrupted and even neutralized by the much smaller 4He atom
passing through.

When 4He is not ionized it acts as a perfect nonconductive insulator
(molecular lubricant), and if excited or ionized is when it highly
conducts between other molecules. Because 4He doesn’t directly bind
with anything, makes it an ideal molecular independent or freelance
agent that gets to do (act/react) as it pleases. This kind of aerosol
freelance or nomadic ability is not a good thing for the threesome of
ozone, and the more of it that we release the more disruptive it is
for sustaining the O3/ozone layer that some of us believe is highly is
beneficial to life as we know it, because it filters out or attenuates
the bad amounts of UV and a bit of other radiation from our sun, moon
and the other stars. In other words, without the O3 layer we’d become
extensively blind and suffer many other debilitating skin cancer
issues that obviously Big Oil and other Big Energy could care less
about because they honestly don’t consider 4He as anything than a
nearly worthless inert aerosol gas, unless you’re in the balloon,
blimp or LHC industry.

(math corrections):
Well the good news is that this 4He will not be a terrestrial resource
issue for very long, because natural geology pockets or geode
reservoirs of natural gas containing roughly 1% 4He are about to run
out, and supposedly the ongoing fission within Earth only regenerates
at most 3.65e6 kg/year (10 t/day) and globally we’re taking out 100 t/
day(116 kg/sec), of which with advanced technology we’ll be lucky to
recapture 0.1% of that, or just 10 kg/day (roughly .01% of current
needs and perhaps only .001% of future needs), and that form of
terrestrial 4He recovery is going to become extremely spendy compared
to current methods. This means the artificial leakage or release of
the 4He aerosol will become so infrequent that its affect on O3/ozone
will become limited as to only what 4He naturally diffuses and gets
away from Earth. By 2050 those polar ozone holes should vanish, and
our highly protective layer of O3 should stabilize, as well as the
loss of mass from our planet should subside to a level which we can
live with, because as is if our planet receives only 2 kg/sec of mass
influx and we continually lose perhaps 2 t/sec of mostly our precious
helium and always hydrogen is not a good thing, especially when the
loss of helium in addition to other artificial contributions keeps
making those big holes in our protective ozone layer.

The implications of continued mass loss are truly numerous, but then
only those of us that are not sufficiently rich and powerful need to
concern ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because
the Oligarchs and Rothschilds in charge of whomever we elect or
appoint could care less.

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FYI; it’s the aerosol of helium/4He (not so much CFCs) that destroys
our protective ozone(O3). To effectively get rid of O3, simply add a
molecular dispersant/lubricant, such as an outflux of 4He that doesn’t
bind to anything.

The good news, is that within a few years of continued pillaging and
plundering of global resources, our combined natural and artificial
outflux of 4He is going to greatly diminish, whether we like it or
not, and eventually to fill that party balloon with 4He will only cost
$10 (+$90 per balloon gas recycling fee).

Here’s another good thing about exploiting our moon with its exosphere
only 30,000 He/cm3, and especially the extremely nearby planet Venus
that seems to have had way more than its fair share of atmospheric
helium, namely 12 ppm (as opposed to our wussy 5.24 ppm and 95 fold
less atmospheric mass) as having 4He laced within its extremely thick
and dense atmosphere, not to mention whatever’s spewing from numerous
surface geothermal vents and likely held within internal geode gas
pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could be
holding 1e15 kg if not 1e16 kg of 4He that’s currently not worth all
that much, although by 2050 this looming terrestrial shortage of 4He
could become quite another issue. The innards of our moon should also
have those usual volumes of 4He from its uranium and thorium fission
plus a few other fission worthy elements in addition to the cosmic
radiation influx as having been creating 3He, except for the extremely
thick, fused and paramagnetic basalt crust of our moon has been less
diffusing or leaking less of its 4He, and practically none of its 3He
that’s tapped in fused basalt and perhaps carbonado.

Our own terrestrial helium depletion or peak helium era is nearly upon
us, though all we have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll
literally go away. By 2050 the maximum world extraction rate of
helium will supposedly peak at 50000 tonnes(5e7 kg/year), whereas the
current rate of depletion is estimated as 3.6e7 kg/year. However, the
drop-off or cutoff due to its value will likely be a whole lot sooner
and much steeper if there’s a likely ten fold increase in demand,
unless it’s discovered that the geology of our planet that supposedly
has only at most 1e10 kg to spare (of which we’ll be lucky to ever
access 10% of that), is holding out on us.
http://www.roperld.com/science/minerals/Helium.htm
http://www.uskowioniran.com/2011/09/discovery-of-huge-helium-reserves-at.html
“Iran’s Pars Oil and Gas Company (POGC) announced today that it has
discovered the world's biggest helium reserve in its South Pars gas
field. POGC estimated the volume of South Pars helium reserves at 10
billion cubic meters, approximately 25 percent of the world’s known
reserves [Mehr News Agency, 30 September]. The South Pars gas field is
shared by Qatar and Iran. Qatar is already producing some helium. The
US is the world's leading supplier of helium, followed by Algeria.

The world’s annual production of helium is approximately 200 million
cubic meters. The main use of the gas is in cryogenic applications,
particularly in the cooling of superconducting magnets in MRI
scanners. Helium is also the gas of choice to fill airships and
blimps.”
-

If we should manage to locate and capture only 1% of the global 4He
natural cache that’s supposedly worth only 1e10 kg (before it manages
to diffuse or leak away on its own), gives us 1e8 kg from which to
sustain our current draw of 3.6e7 kg/year, and that’s roughly three
years worth. Personally I think Earth will manage to offer
considerably more, as will as the fission produced helium will likely
become reinterpreted as offering something better than ten fold
greater than currently mainstream status-quo specified as merely 3e6
kg/yr. Even 3.65e6 kg/year and 4.25e9 years = 16e15 kg, and if it
were 3.65e7 kg/year = 16e16 kg to start off with (-diffusion and our
extractions) might still suggest that a crust solidified Earth is
either somewhat older than 4.25e9 years or packing more uranium and
thorium than thought.

At least for the moment our 4He is relatively cheap, but that’s only
because of a very large surplus of natural gas has most of the 4He in
stored inventory as overflowing and getting bulk vented because of
insufficient storage. However, once that volume gets nearly depleted
from a global demand that has grown by ten fold within a half century,
is when the limited resupply is going to allow its price per scf or m3
to literally go through the roof. The near future demand for this
element could ten fold again, to a rate of taking 3.65e8 kg/year, so
hopefully the fission production of 4He is also ten fold greater than
thought, because otherwise at extracting 11.6 kg/sec we’re going to
run out much sooner than thought.

No doubt India also has access to substantial natural gas fields
offering a considerably higher than average percentage of helium,
however, if the global helium demand should increases by ten fold (as
it likely will), and thereby the extraction of 3.65e8 kg/year becoming
necessary, could deplete the vast bulk of everything we know of (1e10
kg) within as little as 30 years. So, perhaps we’ll have to start
accusing India and Iran’s Pars Oil and Gas Company(POGC) of sponsoring
terrorism or hiding WMD, and/or if nothing else we can always accuse
them of hoarding uranium and thorium reserves for evil extortion
reasons of promoting their own global Islamic/Muslim domination. In
other words, besides the vast wealth of liquid oil and natural gas
hydrocarbons under Islamic/Muslim ownership and control, it seems that
they also have yet another treasure trove of soon to be extremely
valuable helium, plus their having the necessary uranium and thorium
reserves to boot, means that their future of the relatively failsafe
thorium powered energy that’ll remain clean and cheap is a done deal,
and all easily paid for by their sale of helium.

Of course this interpreted volume of commercially extracted 4He that
could peak at 3.65e8 kg/year doesn’t even include the natural
diffusion as geology leakage taking place, that’s required in order to
sustain the 5.24 ppm of atmospheric saturation. Perhaps using the
modern physics of fusion in order to artificially create 4He from
hydrogen may arrive just in the nick of time, but it too will be
somewhat spendy because fusion energy is also going to represent the
ultimate WMD.

3He is actually good/better for just about everything besides creating
those fusion bombs that our NIF has been working on, including its use
in party balloons. Problems is, unlike the relatively cheap 4He, 3He
is already scarce and spendy as hell because our shielded planet has
hardly any of that element, and thus far we have managed to toss away
the bulk of our 4He laced within natural gas that also includes a
smaller 1e-4 proportion of 3He (with so much natural and artificial
loss of CH4 and its 4He, no wonder our protective layer of ozone/O3
has that big gaping hole over either pole).

Unlike the physically dark surface of our naked moon that should be
loaded with 3He, our shielded Earth has relatively little of that
element to spare, plus we're running ourselves out of 4He within the
next three decades or at least by 2050 it could become practically
nonexistent other than whatever internal thorium and uranium are
capable of producing, that’s mainstream suggested as limited to as
little as 3e6 kg/year (less than 1% of our future needs if 100% of
that fission produced helium could even be captured, though I'd kind
of doubt we could manage to capture .01% before it leaks off and gets
blown away by the solar wind). In other words, those precious
elements of 4He and 3He are literally on their way out, and the rate
of their natural replenishment is not going to be .001% sufficient
unless we can manage to artificially create helium and without that
method being too spendy or otherwise too negative consequential.

Even if the natural rate of 4He replenishment were capable of
sustaining 3.65e7 kg/year, and we managed to capture 0.1% of it, is
only worth 3.65e4 kg/year. The LHC needs to circulate nearly 100
tonnes(1e5 kg) of 4He without any backup reserves, of which that one
application alone exceeds the annually produced resource by 27:1, and
there’s all sorts of other commercial, industrial, medical, aerospace,
astrophysics plus numerous other research and retail needs for
helium. Shale gas via explosive fracking and extensive ground water
polluting which probably doesn’t contain nearly as much natural
helium, and as other nations catch on and attempt to modernize and
equalize their own foreign exchange disparity, the future demand for
this rare element of helium could easily reach 3.65e8 kg/year by 2030
(clearly unsustainable once our commercially stored reserves are
depleted).

Helium is by far not the only terrestrial shortage:
A global shortage of diamond could also be resolved off-world. As for
carbonado(aka black diamond), being really nifty for all sorts of
applications besides continuous tether fibers, and for its being
easily produced in the hard vacuum of space or even upon our
physically dark and paramagnetic moon, in unlimited volume that's
easily transported to/from just about anywhere, should be at least
considered as one of the cheapest raw elements of mostly (99+%) carbon
that can be artificially obtained and processed into just about
anything.

A question I have: Are you and other Oligarch Rothschilds planning on
making us wait until the very last terrestrial tonne of everything of
any value is about to run out? (at which time you ZNRs may have to
fake and/or false-flag us into another war in order to artificially
inflate the global price via hoarding and insider market speculation,
plus otherwise steal the scarce remainder of helium, diamond and heavy
rare element metals from others). Of course, while obtaining off-
world helium(s), undoubtedly there should be many other elements of
extremely valuable rare-earths that will have to also get processed
and put into terrestrial circulation, unless our Oligarchs are
planning on insider speculating and hoarding those as well.

By going off-world, many rare and valuable elements plus complex
solutions can be discovered, excavated and/or processed with fewer
social/political or environmental restrictions while on the fly (so to
speak), and efficiently transferred back to Earth or sold to the
highest ET bidder. Of course that’s not going to happen as long as we
keep the old guard of our Oligarchs in charge, and never bother to
look back.

The still unexplained loss of our OCO mission of Earth science
(unusually foiled similar to other previous failures), is perhaps
offering just another prime example of FUD and how we’re otherwise
being kept uninformed and mislead into believing only whatever our
handlers want us to believe, as from their own version of history
that’s usually configured for making them look super good and way
smarter than the rest of us.

In addition to what our nicely sunlit planet w/moon and others similar
have to offer, those as wandering icy rogue/nomad planets could be
every bit as good or better, such as those lakes under thick
Antarctica ice remain fluid not because of our planet having a sun,
nor having anything to do with our AGW, but only because of the
ongoing 64+ TW of internal heat that’s mostly from a combination of
geophysical modulation plus fission within Earth, plus a certain
amount of gravity tidal modulation that’s keeping our flexible planet
with it’s extremely thin crust a little extra warm from the inside
out, at an average surface bedrock heat loss of perhaps 128 mw/m2.
From the surface, we humans manage to add roughly half again that
amount of thermal energy into everything from the surface on up (still
considerably less than what nature contributes), and of course we have
our sun that’s less than ideally stable, plus our nifty moon that’s
contributing via radiating its own IR of 1220 w/m2, plus contributing
its 2e20 N of tidal force that’s continually modulating throughout the
whole fluid body of our planet, which may help to explain where some
of the internal heat is coming from besides a core and mantel of
fission that’s responsible for creating the vast bulk of our helium
that we’re about to run ourselves out of a sufficient annual volume,
mostly because the vast majority of this helium has simply been
naturally diffused as well as our having discarded, passed through
within natural gas or directly vented.

Of course our modern day K12s and most others are no longer getting
educated, as near smart enough to care about any natural or artificial
loss of helium, just like the Oligarchs could care less if all the
natural ice on Earth melted, and ocean levels increased by tens of
meters or whatever extreme weather of storms and/or droughts became
ten fold worse off. I mean to suggest, when these Oligarch
Rothschilds own a fleet of business jets and Mega Yachts plus multiple
villas in addition to several multimillion dollar condos around the
world, is why they really don’t have to worry if any one of those
habitats is inconvenienced or disrupted by extreme weather or should
ever get flooded out because of rising ocean levels, because they are
fully insured or so wealthy that they don’t care if 10% of their
estate holdings get damaged.

On Apr 24, 6:53 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: well, so, What?
: : I replied;
: : 4He migrates directly through ozone. It doesn't bind, it dilutes
: : or displaces ozone as well as it acts as a molecular lubricant.

The "well, so, What?" is that our government and its faith-based mafia
of Oligarchs that get to operate as our public-funded overlords and
robber barons regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, have been
systematically telling us another pack of lies upon lies, as well as
having been creating and sustaining wars, costing us millions of lives
plus trillions of our hard earned loot, not to mention wasting
precious decades and ultimately they seem intent upon keeping us from
going off-world until they've fully exploited this planet and gotten
every last drop of blood and dime out of us.

Obviously that doesn't bother those that never want their white-washed
version of history to ever get investigated and/or forbid ever revised
in order to suit the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Therefore
K12s have been kept snookered or just distracted and dumbfounded past
the point of no return.

The really good news, is that by 2050 if not much sooner (by as early
as 2030), those large gaping holes in our protective ozone layer
should start to close up, because there will have been a sudden and
significant reduction of released helium, along with perhaps saving
90% of our remaining commercial inventory of helium as getting
recycled because it’s just getting too valuable to waste, exactly as
it should have been recycled as of decades ago and before having made
those polar ozone holes worse than ever with our CFCs and the aerosol
of 4He adding insult to injury.

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If we can’t modify or much less get rid of our Ozone(O3) via CFCs,
perhaps we can just keep using our helium(4He) aerosol, and call it
good. After all, we’ve still got enough of that 4He to artificially
exploit from natural gas, plus otherwise vent and to just waste on
blimps, balloons and little items like LHC until there’s hardly any
left, so perhaps the sooner it gets depleted the better.

Big Oil, Big Energy, Big Banking, Big Insurance, Big Mortgage and all
of their insider investment tradings along with their very own pretend
SEC run by yet another breed of Oligarch/Semites, along with its
puppet government that has no authority to change a damn thing, of
which our public funded agencies individually and collectively
obfuscates and lies to us all the time (before, during and after the
fact of their being caught worse than red handed doesn’t seem to
matter), because that’s what Oligarchs expect of their pretend
democracy for controlling their snookered and dumbfounded republics.

Going off-world by way of privately exploiting asteroids, our moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus would clearly ruin all of that good
life that our Oligarch Rothschilds that have grown to love and cherish
each and every non-working day of their lives, so it’s no wonder our
resident redneck minions of brown-nosed clowns, rusemasters and FUD-
masters have been pulling out all the stops. Whenever possible they
use obfuscation and the good old standard denial of being in denial as
their status-quo policy for discrediting anyone that’s not
sufficiently mainstream.

So, it’s no wonder they can’t risk getting down and dirty with this
topic of global resources running out, or simply getting too scarce
and unaffordable. Instead we get hammered by their mainstream media
gauntlet of infomercials and fancy eyecandy that’s supposed to make us
believe they’re always doing the right thing (such as allowing 9/11
and subsequently spotting all of those Muslim WMD for us, so that we
could justify expending thousands of lives and blow trillions of our
hard earned loot, not to mention wasting yet another decade).

By introducing CFCs plus another aerosol that’s simply lubricating our
exosphere of molecular O3 with 4He that’s uncontrollably migrating
upwards, getting nicely heated and eventually blown away by the solar
wind, is perhaps how we can also manage to neutralize and/or get rid
of our O3 (Ozone) and 4He at the same time.

According to physics, 4He sticks nor binds to nothing, and obviously
nothing sticks to it (like an extremely efficient form of natural
molecular lubricant). Short of fusion and ionized as a terrific
plasma, 4He is an inert nonconductor and doesn’t freeze solid until
taken down to something less than 1.5 K (colder than the IGM of 2.7
K), and its smaller atomic radius puts it easily in between all other
molecules except hydrogen. It is also diamagnetic so that other
magnetic fields get repulsed by 4He, and yet its molecular electrical
conductivity as plasma is extremely good, and otherwise it represents
an extremely poor electrical conductor or ideal insulator once outside
of being ionized.

In other words, besides being an extremely small and slippery element,
4He is a kind of molecular changeling or transformer that perms
multiple functions of cooling, heating, insulating, conducting and
otherwise lubricates whatever it is associated with. C60 buckyballs
could even contain several 4He and/or 3He atoms, as well as external
to C60 buckyballs is where the helium can perform as a molecular
lubricant and thus help C60 as well as most any element to flow or
migrate rather than remain as a collective cloud or layer.

If 4He is not capable offering a terrific molecular lubricant, then
perhaps nothing is. However, 4He can squeeze between most all other
elements, and even its diamagnetic property can push away instead of
cling to other molecules.
http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Inorganic_Chemistry/Descriptive_Chemistry/Main_Group_Elements/Group_18%3A_The_Noble_Gases/Chemistry_of_Helium

Of course our naked moon and its hard vacuum environment gives off a
great deal of helium plus a few other lofty elements in addition to
its lofty sodium, and each of those diffused and/or sublimed elements
are as easily ionized and blown away by the solar wind. Even common
lunar dust can get elevated to 100 km by the enormous electrostatic
charge that our naked moon represents, and under the right conditions
some(perhaps under 0.1%) of that extremely fine dust can also get
solar wind accelerated past 2.4 km/sec and thereby blown away.

Oddly the naked and physically dark (average 7% reflective) surface
and especially where each and every Apollo mission or probe ever
landed, never once managed to set down upon any exposed basalt bedrock
containing that ore of sodium to speak of, nor did their orbiting
portions of any mission ever encounter or having to compensate for any
exosphere to ionized sodium. Of course all of those Apollo landings
were apparently situated at the absolute most physically reflective
but otherwise inert locations that presented the least local elements
of any metallicity or radiation, as well as most of the nasty solar
UV, X-rays and cosmic influx were somehow minimized and/or nullified
(including raw solar UV which never seemed to exist or otherwise react
with anything that their unfiltered Kodak film should have easily
recorded), even the extremely bluish earthshine wasn’t recorded.

No doubt, if at the Apollo era time they couldn’t notice the ionized
sodium, they sure as hell wouldn’t have paid any attention as to
quantifying the rate of diffusion as to all of that diffused helium
and other gasses that were also going away from our naked moon. As
is, for Earth and our moon we still have nothing scientifically
quantifying the amounts of exosphere gasses leaving each gravity-well,
as taken by way of the solar wind. Perhaps we have no further need of
elements such as 4He and 3He.

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In further rethinking on behalf of this one; whereas perhaps the
sooner we manage to deplete our 1e10 kg global stockpile/cache of 4He
and get down to fighting over the access as to using 0.1% of the 3e6
kg/year that’s produced by uranium and thorium (because the other
99.9% if not 99.99% should unavoidably diffuse and get away into the
atmosphere where it eventually escapes into space), the better off for
the greater biodiversity good of our planet that’ll most likely need
its protective ozone/O3 layer a whole lot worse than it needs 4He,
even though mother nature’s diffusion has likely been (up till now)
contributing at least ten fold (though quite possibly a hundred fold)
as much 4He per year into the atmosphere as we’ve managed to release
each year. Our future reduction of natural gas and of its helium as
venting or otherwise not intentionally flaring and thereby wasting our
precious 4He, should make a tipping-point kind of measurable
difference in closing up those polar ozone holes that really don’t
need any extra lingering or migrating molecules of 4He in addition to
our CFCs, as a lofty molecular kind of lubrication passing through any
polar exosphere layer of O3. In other words, the complex biodiversity
on our world may need its protective O3 a whole lot worse than its
fission byproduct of 4He (not that there’s anything we can effectively
do to restrict the natural geological diffusion and subsequent loss of
helium from deep within).

My deductive thought all along, is why continually ignore and
subsequently waste such a nifty and versatile aerosol element like
4He, not to mention it’s minor sibling of 3He, especially if there’s
only 3e6 kg/year getting produced and realistically we can’t possibly
tap into and salvage more than 0.1% of that natural resource.

For a little extra argument sake; If there were only 3.154e8 kg being
naturally diffused as leaking away from Earth (10 kg/sec maintaining
our 5.24 ppm atmospheric saturation), and if the originating source of
uranium and thorium were only capable of contributing 10% of that
amount, seems to suggest that such a lofty element that doesn’t bond
with anything (including itself) and is somehow being held captive
within our atmosphere by something more complex than its lack of
atomic mass nor binding and thereby its feeble molecular specific
gravity which isn’t hardly worth squat probably shouldn’t stay with
our planet.

I’m currently rethinking along the lines of Earth as having been
naturally releasing as much as 3.154e9 kg/year, which amounts to 100
kg/sec that might be required in order to sustain the 5.24 ppm,
because even at that greater amount works out to an average diffusion
outflux rate of less than 2e-13 kg/m2/sec. Of course this would also
have to suggest the innards of Earth’s uranium and thorium cache being
either much older or those of considerably greater volume and mass in
order to keep up with even 1% of that amount, or quite possibly
there’s a composite of internal fissions process of roughly 100 times
greater than previously thought. At least this 3.154e9 kg of 4He
production might help explain those extremely deep and likely fission
produced or triggered earthquakes that are so deep within the mantel
that they have nothing whatsoever to do with crustal plate tectonics.

Since there is still no direct/objective science on quantifying the
natural plus artificial global loss of helium or hydrogen, is what
leaves some of us investigative outsiders guessing and otherwise
attempting to deductively connect the dots, because our mainstream and
K12 mantra of having been specifying a natural radiological decay
resource of producing only 3e6 kg/year seems hardly sufficient if that
internal cache of uranium and thorium were the only prime source for
having created and sustained all of this lofty volume and mass of
helium to begin with. So, either there’s a much greater volume and
mass of uranium and thorium plus a few other elements producing it, or
the innards of our planet has a lot more of those deep geode and
mantel pockets of its original creation helium stashed away, just
sitting there as leaking and otherwise waiting for nature or us to tap
into.

Keeping in mind that even if the average extracted natural gas volume
of 3.65e12 m3/year (not inclusive of their own industry usage,
wellhead or refinery flarings, industry leakage, blowouts or natural
escapements) were only 0.1% 4He, is actually all by itself going to
represent a hell of a lot (3.65e9 m3/yr = 6.5e8 kg/yr) of artificially
pass-through or vented helium, and that’s not even accounting for all
of the oil and gas wellheads and/or feedstock losses plus numerous
natural geothermal gas vents continually taking place (mostly under
water), whereas a reasonably conservative estimate might become
3.154e9 kg, and perhaps the upper most all-inclusive extraction plus
all other forms of artificial and natural escapement of helium plus H2
and even a little O1 being in the outgoing ballpark of at least
3.154e10 kg/yr (1 t/sec). Not that anyone in Google Groups or Usenet/
newsgroups cares how much mass Earth is losing, although they
obviously care enough to topic/author stalk and bash for all they can
collectively muster.

Just for the record; it seems the Oligarch mafia of “Big Oil and Big
Energy” typically underreports anything that has fees, tariffs,
royalties or penalties associated, is perhaps a good enough reason why
we can’t trust their own numbers as to the volumes extracted, leaked,
blown-out or otherwise consumed and/or wasted in the process of doing
their business and getting their various hydrocarbon products to
market. For example, Canada allows the messy exploitation and export
of negative hydrocarbon energy, which more than doubles the carbon
footprint for consuming of those hydrocarbons (not to mention their
own local environmental impact that’s purely negative and left for
future generations to resolve and pay for), and otherwise BP Alaska
hasn’t been operating terribly far behind that extra big carbon
footprint policy (not to mention their Gulf blowout fiasco that we
also get to pay for in more ways than spendy fuel).

At any rate, eventually (by 2050) our planet should become 4He
deficient long before our spendy hydrocarbons run out (2150~2200), and
those off-world alternatives will then become quite necessary
regardless of their added risk, expense or possibly even lower cost
than anyone could have imagined, because off-world 4He may be only a
secondary byproduct for obtaining those other rare and more valuable
elements. At least by then our polar ozone holes should greatly
shrink or possibly vanish, and by way of most scientific
interpretations of protecting our environment, that lack of 4He
outcome would be a very good thing, because with the ongoing demise of
our geomagnetic force field that’s failing us at -.1%/year, we’ll
probably need all the added O3 protection we can get.

Problem is, the current K12+ educated awareness and the commercial
market value for this 4He simply isn’t sufficiently understood or
worth enough concern for the current hydrocarbon industry to
aggressively gather up and safely store for its commercial and retail
use. So, for the moment the vast majority of 4He is getting set free,
and of those using it are not so terribly concerned about having to
protect or recycling it as long as the rest of us and future
generations are the clueless ones that’ll always get to pay for fixing
everything and paying whatever extortion price for this soon to be
depleted rare element of 4He that Oligarchs and their Rothschild
investors will get to charge us as much as they like, unless some off-
world resources come to our rescue.

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Earth w/o helium by 2050:
What myself and only a few others here are talking about are those
pesky tipping points, and not the all-or-nothing kind of singular
definitive culprits or yet another one of those do-everything kind of
solutions that’ll fix absolutely everything under the sun (though
relocating our moon to Earth L1 and interactively keeping it there
would probably cover the most bases on behalf of resolving GW+AGW for
millenniums to come).

Actually our planet will never run out of 4He, because there’s going
to always be its internal cache of uranium and thorium making perhaps
3.65e7 kg/year, of which we should be able to tap into 0.1% of it in
order to extract 3.65e4 kg/year. With 99% recycling should do the
trick of getting us by. However, its value per kg could soar to $1M,
which means refilling the LHC refrigeration system from a blowout
could cost us $100B.

Collectively, along with the helium upwelling and its unavoidable
diffusion/leakage from natural geology, we humans have measurably
increased that level of ongoing global mass loss, in addition to
contributing those much heavier CFCs, plus contributing our 70 TW and
all sorts of polluting considerations that are typically nasty and
even lethal to life as we know it, as either artificial to the surface
and atmospheric environment when they manage to accelerate whatever
demise nature has already been doing to us (such as thawing us out
from the last ice-age this planet w/moon will ever see).

It’s probably from this ongoing loss of helium aerosol that’s doing
the most polar ozone layer damage, but those mainstream FUD-masters as
our peers want us to think otherwise. Gee whiz, it’s as though they
have some kind of Big Oil, Natural Gas and even Coal Energy
investments at risk, and would rather not discuss any ozone with
helium implications, and is probably why they terminated our OCO
mission was just a little extra damage-control insurance in case
anyone else picks up on this loss of helium as having been highly
detrimental to our environment, while our planet keeps losing mass at
2+ t/sec can’t possibly be a good thing.

Another conservative mass loss estimate:
“But by far the biggest factor in earth's weight loss are the 95,000
tonnes of hydrogen that escape from the atmosphere every year. 'The
other very light gas this is happening to is helium and there is much
less of that around, so it's about 1,600 tonnes a year of helium that
we lose.' Taking all the factors into account, Smith reckons the Earth
is getting about 50,000 tonnes lighter a year”

The all-inclusive global loss of hydrogen and especially helium that
doesn’t bind with anything, is more likely worth at least ten fold
greater (if not passing a hundred fold) than most of us as K12+
indoctrinated minions to the mainstream status-quo are willing to
accept, thereby far exceeding the most recently updated influx as
quantifying Earth receiving 5e4 tonnes/year of dust and meteorites. I
tend to favor reinterpreting the best available science that’ll
suggest a net loss of at least 5e5 t/year is being entirely
conservative, whereas a better notion of losing 3.15e9 t/year would at
least account for sustaining our usage plus the atmosphere of 5.24 ppm
4He, that is unless our helium and hydrogen exosphere is simply
forever expanding and somehow other than gravity sticking with us in
spite of the solar wind. Perhaps by 2050 is when that greatly reduced
loss of 4He will bring our global mass loss per year down to a dull
roar of 3.15e6 t/year (100 kg/sec) and by 2100 down to the diffusion
rate of only 3.15e5 t/year (10 kg/sec), which should also greatly
reduce or eliminate those gaping polar ozone holes.

For certain, with less global ice volume and no apparent geoengineered
shade or improved albedo in sight (global dimming being the exact
opposite of what we need), we’ll have unstable global thermodynamics
and even less hydrodynamic cycle stability to work with, plus lots of
increased erosion that’s also going into the drink and making oceans
rise, so either of those outcomes are not exactly making environmental
factors or the economy for this or future generations any better.
Future generations will also be paying dearly for just about
everything that truly matters, because in addition to the lack of
helium plus their own technology and energy consuming stuff, they’ll
also have to pick up the tab for what their parents and grandparents
did or having failed to do when the time was right and a whole lot
cheaper to fix or even prevent in the first place.

As a political solution, if we were given a third political party of
scientology/technocrats may become just as useless as the two
dysfunctionals we got, because there are a number of outsiders as
Oligarchs and Rothschilds that’ll retain their wealth and authority
over whomever we elect or appoint. Instead of always passing the debt
along to the next generation, we need to look at the past and to allow
our K12 textbooks of history to get revised in order to reflect the
whole truth and nothing but the truth, because as long as history
can’t be revised in order to reflect the best available evidence and
other truths, it really doesn’t matter how many political parties or
alternative social/political policies we have to pick from.

In order to fix some of this global disparity mess, seems we can’t get
from here to there without involving further complications, such as
increasing social/political disparity and having to survive wars.
With so many government agencies in less than independent good status,
along with insider trading running wild and even government agencies
overlapping and participating and/or enabling others of their elite
oligarchs to get away with extortion, fraud and thus perpetrate
treasonous acts against our republic and the world, it’s hard to tell
how deep of house cleaning will be necessary. If all else fails,
perhaps bagging the whole mafia lot and gassing so that each and every
oligarch and faith-based cockroach and termite among us is
exterminated, may become the only viable option, plus going after the
increased wealth, security and authority of their family and friends
can’t be overlooked any more so than our too-big-to-fail government
and their contacted mercenaries that needs to get trimmed by at least
50%, can’t be put off.

Once Earth is sufficiently drained or vented and having to get by
without its usual supply of helium is also when affordable science,
physics and a great deal of advanced medical technology comes to a
halt, not to mention any terrestrial sustained hope of 3He fusion (in
other words, those conventional MOX fueled reactors and all of their
spendy and nasty consequences are here to stay). The good news, by
2050 our polar ozone holes should close once and for all, because
those CFCs like R12 actually had almost nothing to do with such
openings, along with global reserves of stored and natural helium will
have been exhausted, and the rate of 4He replenishment will likely not
cover 1% of future global needs and thereby forcing 4He conservation
and 99.9% recycling.

So, future generations not only get to pay more for most everything
(especially if it’s energy and/or advanced technology related), but
they’ll also get to do without helium unless they can afford to pay
$100/scf (90% deposit refunded upon recycling) and/or don’t terribly
mind going to war over its scarce availability, so that insider market
speculation and hoarding by oligarchs can continue with their living
large regardless of whomever we elect or appoint. No wonder our
Steven Chu (our resident energy wizard) has been keeping himself out
of sight.

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So far so good, as it seems any mention of helium and ozone holes, as
incorporated together within any given Google Group or Usenet/
newsgroup topic, is yet another mainstream taboo and media deal
breaker.

Gee whiz; Since most of us don’t like being snookered by those we
elect and/or appoint to positions of leadership and authority, so I
guess we'll have to stick with accepting the usual mainstream gauntlet
of their obfuscation, ruse and FUD policy of pretending that our
Oligarchs (whom we never get to elect or appoint) know exactly what
they’re doing, but unavoidably got us into this mess of global
inflation, income disparity and many shortages (soon to include
helium) to begin with, as well as our pretending that only Islamics
and crazy Muslims that don't happen to individually use 1% as much
global resources as the rest of us, are none the less always at fault
for everything that's turning out badly or simply getting worse, and
otherwise we’re having to accept that only Oligarchs/Semites and
Rothschilds that never have to work for a living know the very best
about everything.

After all, the US and USSR together did such a fine job of creating
North Korea, and just look at how warm and fuzzy that one turned out.
Nowadays we're into nation-ignoring as well as nation-building left
and right, but only dominating our will and influence within those
nations as having natural resources and thereby terrific future wealth
because our own resources are either insignificant or nearly
depleted. Apparently hoarding just isn’t good enough, whereas keeping
others from learning about and utilizing their own resources seems to
have become the mainstream ruse and FUD priority of the day.

We even created the social/political disparity that makes Muslims and
a few other ethnic groups (such as North Korea, India, Chinese and
Cubans) far more workforce affordable or simply more worldly
competitive at extracting and processing hydrocarbons plus their
capability of supplying rare-earths and good old helium on the cheap,
and being so much so overhead workforce efficient that in any fair
open market we can't possibly compete without our applied skulduggery
of market insiders trading on behalf of speculating and product
hoarding. Fortunately, it seems that Islamics and fellow Muslims are
sitting on the vast majority of easily accessible uranium and thorium
reserves, and no doubt other rare-earth elements (including helium)
are also available and highly profitable should they ever decide to
exploit, because we and a few other advanced nations need enormous
supplies of just about everything.

So, in order to prevent WW3 and WW4 as well as any possible reversal
of international disparity, perhaps we should start doing whatever it
is they can't, and that's going off-world. Though notice how our
resident Oligarchs (aka pretend-Atheist acting/reacting exactly as
stealth Semites) are always so consistently opposed to any sort of off-
world exploitations that could possibly lead to anything commercially
viable and openly competitive. It’s as though they haven’t quite
finished exploiting Earth, and as Oligarchs they simply don’t want any
local or off-world spoils making the middle and lower caste any better
off, especially since the lower cast labor cost isn’t 1% of theirs
(aka Cuban socialized labor gets you $1/day, but then most everything
else is included is still only worth at most $10/day, as opposed to
Oligarch supporters each needing $1000/day plus their greedy
executives taking as much as a million per day).

Apparently the last thing these FUD-master Oligarchs ever want to see,
is any kind of fair trade and private enterprise accomplishing honest
sorts of greater good for themselves and humanity, or much less on
behalf of salvaging our environment, thus making it kind of hard for
them lazy Oligarchs to have their global domination perks under their
NWO if other independent folks have developed access to cheaper and
cleaner energy and are independently getting loads of other technology
stuff accomplished, god-forbid actually managing w/o government
intervention or any faith-based policy of artificially creating upper/
lower caste disparity and directly causing global inflation, as well
as simply benefiting and getting along with one-another might tend to
ruin each of their military industrial complexes, is what must go
against their faith-based satanic policy that we’re supposed to
blindly follow regardless of the consequences.

In the past, wars have certainly been contrived and fought over far
less differences of opinion or disparity, and apparently that’s a
global domination policy that’s not going to be allowed to change
without yet another spendy and bloody war.

Imagine our planet as having a surplus of the most valued elements
(including those exploited from off-world resources), and having cheap
energy that’s relatively clean and essentially as renewable as thorium
and using geothermal as based upon the amount of 4He being created at
roughly 122 fold more than we’ve been told. This outcome might not
eliminate wars, but it’ll certainly make most of them pointless and
otherwise short lived when there are such few unhappy campers that are
just diehard greedy oligarchs and faith-based bullies to their core.

Our national resource of oil is clearly insufficient as is, and once
our natural gas is nearly depleted with only fracking as being nearly
negative energy and incapable of supplying the spendy demand, we can
shift everything back over to efficiently creating those quality
synfuels from coals, using the clean and cheap hydrogen economy which
William Mook proposed as of more than a decade ago, which has much
fewer of those nasty hydrocarbons to spare and we’ll otherwise get to
make due with a much cleaner environment, plus only having .1% as much
4He to go around should allow those polar ozone holes to close up for
good.

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Speaking of our not having enough of something besides helium, gold,
platinum and roughly a dozen other nifty elements or combination of
highly consumable elements.

Mars: “The planet appears to be generating about 200 to 300 tonnes of
methane every year.” further proving that hydrocarbons can be created
without the demise and decay of any layers of organic life. At least
so far we have no sign of any significant organics or surface clues to
any past existence that could even remotely account for a leakage or
diffusion of 300 tonnes/year.
http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/63759-mars-methane-not-biological-in-origin

This is actually very good news, in that the considerable geology
mass and complexity of our planet may be replenishing our
hydrocarbons, at least partially (somewhat like the decay of uranium
and thorium creates helium that’s supposedly worth 3000 tonnes/year
and with a great deal of effort we might manage to capture perhaps 3
tonnes/year, which is worth less than .01% of our current needs).

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Speaking of our not having enough of something besides helium, gold,
platinum and roughly a dozen other nifty elements or combinations of
highly consumable elements.

Mars: “The planet appears to be generating about 200 to 300 tonnes of
methane every year.” further proving that hydrocarbons can be created
without the demise and decay of any layers of organic life. At least
so far we have no sign of any significant organics or surface clues to
any past existence that could even remotely account for a leakage or
diffusion of 300 tonnes/year.
http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/63759-mars-methane-not-biological-in-origin

This is actually very good scientific news, in that the considerable
geology mass and complexity of our planet may be replenishing our
hydrocarbons, at least partially (somewhat like the decay of uranium
and thorium creates helium that’s supposedly worth 3000 tonnes/year
and with a great deal of applied technology and spendy effort we might
manage to capture perhaps 3 tonnes/year, which is worth less than .01%
of our current 4He needs).

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FYI; it’s the aerosol of helium/4He (not so much CFCs) that destroys
our protective ozone(O3). To effectively get rid of O3, simply add a
molecular dispersant/lubricant, such as an outflux of 4He that doesn’t
bind to anything.

The good news, is that within a few years of continued pillaging and
plundering of global resources, our combined natural and artificial
outflux of 4He is going to greatly diminish, whether we like it or
not, and eventually to fill that party balloon with 4He will only cost
$10 (+$90 deposit per balloon gas recycling fee).

Here’s another good thing about exploiting our moon with its exosphere
only 30,000 He/cm3, and especially the extremely nearby planet Venus
that seems to have had way more than its fair share of atmospheric
helium, namely 12 ppm (as opposed to our wussy 5.24 ppm and 95 fold
less atmospheric mass) as having 4He laced within its extremely thick
and dense atmosphere, not to mention whatever’s spewing from numerous
surface geothermal vents and likely held within internal geode gas
pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could be
holding 1e15 kg if not 1e16 kg of 4He that’s currently not worth all
that much, although by 2050 this looming terrestrial shortage of 4He
could become quite another issue. The innards of our moon should also
have those usual volumes of 4He from its uranium and thorium fission
plus a few other fission worthy elements in addition to the cosmic
radiation influx as having been creating 3He, except for the extremely
thick, fused and paramagnetic basalt crust of our moon has been less
diffusing or leaking less of its 4He, and practically none of its 3He
that’s tapped in fused basalt and perhaps carbonado.

Our own terrestrial helium depletion or peak helium era is nearly upon
us, though all we have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll
literally go away. By 2050 the maximum world extraction rate of
helium will supposedly peak at 50000 tonnes(5e7 kg/year), whereas the
current rate of depletion is estimated as 3.6e7 kg/year. However, the
drop-off or cutoff due to its value will likely be a whole lot sooner
and much steeper if there’s a likely ten fold increase in demand,
unless it’s discovered that the geology of our planet that supposedly
has only at most 1e10 kg to spare (of which we’ll be lucky to ever
access 10% of that), is holding out on us.
http://www.roperld.com/science/minerals/Helium.htm
http://www.uskowioniran.com/2011/09/discovery-of-huge-helium-reserves-at.html
“Iran’s Pars Oil and Gas Company (POGC) announced today that it has
discovered the world's biggest helium reserve in its South Pars gas
field. POGC estimated the volume of South Pars helium reserves at 10
billion cubic meters, approximately 25 percent of the world’s known
reserves [Mehr News Agency, 30 September]. The South Pars gas field is
shared by Qatar and Iran. Qatar is already producing some helium. The
US is the world's leading supplier of helium, followed by Algeria.

The world’s annual production of helium is approximately 200 million
cubic meters. The main use of the gas is in cryogenic applications,
particularly in the cooling of superconducting magnets in MRI
scanners. Helium is also the gas of choice to fill airships and
blimps.”
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If we should manage to locate and capture only 1% of the global 4He
natural cache that’s supposedly worth only 1e10 kg (before it manages
to diffuse or leak away on its own), gives us 1e8 kg from which to
sustain our current draw of 3.6e7 kg/year, and that’s roughly three
years worth. Personally I think Earth will manage to offer
considerably more, as will as the fission produced helium will likely
become reinterpreted as offering something better than ten fold
greater than currently mainstream status-quo specified as merely 3e6
kg/yr. Even 3.65e6 kg/year and 4.25e9 years = 16e15 kg, and if it
were 3.65e7 kg/year = 16e16 kg to start off with (-diffusion and our
extractions) might still suggest that a crust solidified Earth is
either somewhat older than 4.25e9 years or packing more uranium and
thorium than thought.

At least for the moment our 4He is relatively cheap, but that’s only
because of a very large surplus of natural gas has most of the 4He in
stored inventory as overflowing and getting bulk vented because of
insufficient storage. However, once that volume gets nearly depleted
from a global demand that has grown by ten fold within a half century,
is when the limited resupply is going to allow its price per scf or m3
to literally go through the roof. The near future demand for this
element could ten fold again, to a rate of taking 3.65e8 kg/year, so
hopefully the fission production of 4He is also ten fold greater than
thought, because otherwise at extracting 11.6 kg/sec we’re going to
run out much sooner than thought.

No doubt India also has access to substantial natural gas fields
offering a considerably higher than average percentage of helium,
however, if the global helium demand should increases by ten fold (as
it likely will), and thereby the extraction of 3.65e8 kg/year becoming
necessary, could deplete the vast bulk of everything we know of (1e10
kg) within as little as 30 years. So, perhaps we’ll have to start
accusing India and Iran’s Pars Oil and Gas Company(POGC) of sponsoring
terrorism or hiding WMD, and/or if nothing else we can always accuse
them of hoarding uranium and thorium reserves for evil extortion
reasons of promoting their own global Islamic/Muslim domination. In
other words, besides the vast wealth of liquid oil and natural gas
hydrocarbons under Islamic/Muslim ownership and control, it seems that
they also have yet another treasure trove of soon to be extremely
valuable helium, plus their having the necessary uranium and thorium
reserves to boot, means that their future of the relatively failsafe
thorium powered energy that’ll remain clean and cheap is a done deal,
and all easily paid for by their sale of helium.

Of course this interpreted volume of commercially extracted 4He that
could peak at 3.65e8 kg/year doesn’t even include the natural
diffusion as geology leakage taking place, that’s required in order to
sustain the 5.24 ppm of atmospheric saturation. Perhaps using the
modern physics of fusion in order to artificially create 4He from
hydrogen may arrive just in the nick of time, but it too will be
somewhat spendy because fusion energy is also going to represent the
ultimate WMD.

3He is actually good/better for just about everything besides creating
those fusion bombs that our NIF has been working on, including its use
in party balloons. Problems is, unlike the relatively cheap 4He, 3He
is already scarce and spendy as hell because our shielded planet has
hardly any of that element, and thus far we have managed to toss away
the bulk of our 4He laced within natural gas that also includes a
smaller 1e-4 proportion of 3He (with so much natural and artificial
loss of CH4 and its 4He, no wonder our protective layer of ozone/O3
has that big gaping hole over either pole).

Unlike the physically dark surface of our naked moon that should be
loaded with 3He, our shielded Earth has relatively little of that
element to spare, plus we're running ourselves out of 4He within the
next three decades or at least by 2050 it could become practically
nonexistent other than whatever internal thorium and uranium are
capable of producing, that’s mainstream suggested as limited to as
little as 3e6 kg/year (less than 1% of our future needs if 100% of
that fission produced helium could even be captured, though I'd kind
of doubt we could manage to capture .01% before it leaks off and gets
blown away by the solar wind). In other words, those precious
elements of 4He and 3He are literally on their way out, and the rate
of their natural replenishment is not going to be .001% sufficient
unless we can manage to artificially create helium and without that
method being too spendy or otherwise too negative consequential.

Even if the natural rate of 4He replenishment were capable of
sustaining 3.65e7 kg/year, and we managed to capture 0.1% of it, is
only worth 3.65e4 kg/year. The LHC needs to circulate nearly 100
tonnes(1e5 kg) of 4He without any backup reserves, of which that one
application alone exceeds the annually produced resource by 27:1, and
there’s all sorts of other commercial, industrial, medical, aerospace,
astrophysics plus numerous other research and retail needs for
helium. Shale gas via explosive fracking and extensive ground water
polluting which probably doesn’t contain nearly as much natural
helium, and as other nations catch on and attempt to modernize and
equalize their own foreign exchange disparity, the future demand for
this rare element of helium could easily reach 3.65e8 kg/year by 2030
(clearly unsustainable once our commercially stored reserves are
depleted).

Helium is by far not the only terrestrial shortage:
A global shortage of diamond could also be resolved off-world. As for
carbonado(aka black diamond), being really nifty for all sorts of
applications besides continuous tether fibers, and for its being
easily produced in the hard vacuum of space or even upon our
physically dark and paramagnetic moon, in unlimited volume that's
easily transported to/from just about anywhere, should be at least
considered as one of the cheapest raw elements of mostly (99+%) carbon
that can be artificially obtained and processed into just about
anything.

A question I have: Are you and other Oligarch Rothschilds planning on
making us wait until the very last terrestrial tonne of everything of
any value is about to run out? (at which time you ZNRs may have to
fake and/or false-flag us into another war in order to artificially
inflate the global price via hoarding and insider market speculation,
plus otherwise steal the scarce remainder of helium, diamond and heavy
rare element metals from others). Of course, while obtaining off-
world helium(s), undoubtedly there should be many other elements of
extremely valuable rare-earths that will have to also get processed
and put into terrestrial circulation, unless our Oligarchs are
planning on insider speculating and hoarding those as well.

By going off-world, many rare and valuable elements plus complex
solutions can be discovered, excavated and/or processed with fewer
social/political or environmental restrictions while on the fly (so to
speak), and efficiently transferred back to Earth or sold to the
highest ET bidder. Of course that’s not going to happen as long as we
keep the old guard of our Oligarchs in charge, and never bother to
look back.

The still unexplained loss of our OCO mission of Earth science
(unusually foiled similar to other previous failures), is perhaps
offering just another prime example of FUD and how we’re otherwise
being kept uninformed and mislead into believing only whatever our
handlers want us to believe, as from their own version of history
that’s usually configured for making them look super good and way
smarter than the rest of us.

In addition to what our nicely sunlit planet w/moon and others similar
have to offer, those as wandering icy rogue/nomad planets could be
every bit as good or better, such as those lakes under thick
Antarctica ice remain fluid not because of our planet having a sun,
nor having anything to do with our AGW, but only because of the
ongoing 64+ TW of internal heat that’s mostly from a combination of
geophysical modulation plus fission within Earth, plus a certain
amount of gravity tidal modulation that’s keeping our flexible planet
with it’s extremely thin crust a little extra warm from the inside
out, at an average surface bedrock heat loss of perhaps 128 mw/m2.
From the surface, we humans manage to add roughly half again that
amount of thermal energy into everything from the surface on up (still
considerably less than what nature contributes), and of course we have
our sun that’s less than ideally stable, plus our nifty moon that’s
contributing via radiating its own IR of 1220 w/m2, plus contributing
its 2e20 N of tidal force that’s continually modulating throughout the
whole fluid body of our planet, which may help to explain where some
of the internal heat is coming from besides a core and mantel of
fission that’s responsible for creating the vast bulk of our helium
that we’re about to run ourselves out of a sufficient annual volume,
mostly because the vast majority of this helium has simply been
naturally diffused as well as our having discarded, passed through
within natural gas or directly vented.

Of course our modern day K12s and most others are no longer getting
educated, as near smart enough to care about any natural or artificial
loss of helium, just like the Oligarchs could care less if all the
natural ice on Earth melted, and ocean levels increased by tens of
meters or whatever extreme weather of storms and/or droughts became
ten fold worse off. I mean to suggest, when these Oligarch
Rothschilds own a fleet of business jets and Mega Yachts plus multiple
villas in addition to several multimillion dollar condos around the
world, is why they really don’t have to worry if any one of those
habitats is inconvenienced or disrupted by extreme weather or should
ever get flooded out because of rising ocean levels, because they are
fully insured or so wealthy that they don’t care if 10% of their
estate holdings get damaged.

On Apr 24, 6:53 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: well, so, What?
: : I replied;
: : 4He migrates directly through ozone. It doesn't bind, it dilutes
: : or displaces ozone as well as it acts as a molecular lubricant.

The "well, so, What?" is that our government and its faith-based mafia
of Oligarchs that get to operate as our public-funded overlords and
robber barons regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, have been
systematically telling us another pack of lies upon lies, as well as
having been creating and sustaining wars, costing us millions of lives
plus trillions of our hard earned loot, not to mention wasting
precious decades and ultimately they seem intent upon keeping us from
going off-world until they've fully exploited this planet and gotten
every last drop of blood and dime out of us.

Obviously that doesn't bother those that never want their white-washed
version of history to ever get investigated and/or forbid ever revised
in order to suit the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Therefore
K12s have been kept snookered or just distracted and dumbfounded past
the point of no return.

The really good news, is that by 2050 if not much sooner (by as early
as 2030), those large gaping holes in our protective ozone layer
should start to close up, because there will have been a sudden and
significant reduction of released helium, along with perhaps saving
90% of our remaining commercial inventory of helium as getting
recycled because it’s just getting too valuable to waste, exactly as
it should have been recycled as of decades ago and before having made
those polar ozone holes worse than ever with our CFCs and the aerosol
of 4He adding insult to injury.

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If we can’t modify or much less get rid of our Ozone(O3) via CFCs and
HCFCs, perhaps we can just keep using up our helium(4He) aerosol, and
call it good. After all, we’ve still got enough of that 4He to
artificially exploit from our natural gas, plus otherwise vent and to
just waste on blimps, balloons and little items like LHC until there’s
hardly any left, so perhaps the sooner it gets depleted the better off
all the way around.

Big Oil, Big Energy, Big Banking, Big Insurance, Big Mortgage and all
of their insider investment tradings of market speculations along with
their very own pretend SEC run by yet another breed of Oligarch/
Semites that have their own agenda regardless of whoever we elect or
appoint, along with its puppet government that has no actual authority
to change a damn thing, of which our public funded agencies
individually and collectively obfuscates and lies to us all the time
(before, during and after the fact of their being caught worse than
red handed doesn’t seem to matter), because that’s what Oligarchs
expect of their pretend democracy for controlling their snookered and
dumbfounded republics around the world.

Going off-world by way of privately exploiting asteroids, our moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus would clearly ruin all of that good
life that our Oligarch Rothschilds have grown to love and cherish each
and every non-working day of their lives, so it’s no wonder their
resident redneck minions of brown-nosed clowns, rusemasters and FUD-
masters of our Google groups Usenet/newsgroups have been pulling out
all the stops. Whenever possible they use obfuscation and the good
old standard denial of being in denial as their status-quo policy for
discrediting anyone that’s not playing along by way of bring
sufficiently pro mainstream.

So, it’s no wonder they can’t risk getting down and dirty with this or
any other topic of global resources running out, or simply getting too
scarce, unaffordable and bloody. Instead we get systematically
hammered by their mainstream media gauntlet of infomercials and fancy
eyecandy that’s supposed to make us believe they’re always doing the
right thing (such as allowing 9/11 and subsequently spotting all of
those Muslim WMD for us, so that we could justify expending thousands
of lives and blow trillions of our hard earned loot, not to mention
wasting yet another decade).

By introducing CFCs and HCFCs plus another nifty aerosol that’s simply
lubricating our exosphere of molecular O3 with lots of 4He that’s
uncontrollably migrating upwards, getting nicely heated and eventually
blown away by the solar wind, is perhaps how we can best manage to
neutralize and/or get rid of our O3 (Ozone) and 4He at the same time.

According to physics, 4He doesn’t stick nor bind to anything, and
obviously nothing sticks to it (4He is like an extremely efficient
form of natural molecular lubricant). Short of fusion and ionized as
a terrific plasma, whereas 4He is an inert nonconductor and doesn’t
freeze solid until taken down to something less than 1.5 K (colder
than the IGM of 2.7 K), and its smaller atomic radius puts it easily
in between all other molecules except hydrogen. It is also
diamagnetic so that other magnetic fields get repulsed by 4He, and yet
its molecular electrical conductivity as a plasma is extremely good,
and otherwise it represents an extremely poor electrical conductor or
ideal insulator once outside of being ionized.

In other words, besides being an extremely small and slippery element,
4He act as a kind of molecular changeling or transformer that performs
multiple functions of cooling, heating, insulating, conducting and
otherwise lubricates whatever it is associated with. C60 buckyballs
could even contain several 4He and/or 3He atoms, as well as external
to C60 buckyballs is where the helium can perform as a molecular
lubricant and thus help C60 as well as most any element to flow or
migrate rather than remain as a collective cloud or layer.

If 4He is not capable offering a terrific molecular lubricant, then
perhaps nothing is. However, 4He can squeeze between most all other
elements, and even its diamagnetic property can push away instead of
cling to other molecules.
http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Inorganic_Chemistry/Descriptive_Chemistry/Main_Group_Elements/Group_18%3A_The_Noble_Gases/Chemistry_of_Helium

Of course our naked moon and its hard vacuum environment gives off a
great deal of helium plus a few other lofty elements in addition to
its lofty sodium, and each of those diffused and/or sublimed elements
are as easily ionized and blown away by the solar wind. Even common
lunar dust can get elevated to 100 km by the enormous electrostatic
charge that our naked moon represents, and under the right conditions
some(perhaps under 0.1%) of that extremely fine dust can also get
solar wind accelerated past 2.4 km/sec and thereby blown away.

Oddly the naked and physically dark (average 7% reflective) surface
and especially where each and every Apollo mission or probe ever
landed, never once managed to set down upon any exposed basalt bedrock
containing that ore of sodium to speak of, nor did their orbiting
portions of any mission ever encounter or having to compensate for any
exosphere to ionized sodium. Of course all of those Apollo landings
were apparently situated at the absolute most physically reflective
but otherwise inert locations that presented the least local elements
of any metallicity or radiation, as well as most of the nasty solar
UV, X-rays and cosmic influx were somehow minimized and/or nullified
(including raw solar UV which never seemed to exist or otherwise react
with anything that their unfiltered Kodak film should have easily
recorded), even the extremely bluish earthshine wasn’t recorded.

No doubt, if at the Apollo era time they couldn’t notice the ionized
sodium, they sure as hell wouldn’t have paid any attention as to
quantifying the rate of diffusion as to all of that local helium and
other gasses that were also going away from our naked moon. As is,
for Earth and our moon we still have nothing scientifically
quantifying the amounts of exosphere gasses leaving each gravity-well,
as taken by way of the solar wind. Perhaps we have no further need of
elements such as 4He and 3He.

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If we Americans were to go after every last cubic meter of our natural
gas:
http://energyseminar.stanford.edu/sites/all/files/eventpdf/JohnCurtisStanfordShale.pdf
US = 1,836.4 Tcf (52e12 m3 of conventional plus shale and coalbed
natural gas)
Of that total amount, shale gas = 616 Tcf.

Of course in order to get at most of that natural gas will take a
hundred thousand additional wells and a great deal of fracking. Of all
that extracted volume, perhaps at most 0.1% being 4He = 1.836 Tcf
(52e9 m3).

Supposedly our world has yet another 5e14~5e15 m3 of proven natural
gas reserves, and at one million wells and/or fracking sites = 5e8~5e9
m3 each.
If 0.1% of that global volume were 4He = 5e11~5e12 m3.
At .18 kg/m3 of 4He is 9e10 to 9e11 kg which should last us for quite
some time if it were specifically 100% extracted and 99% recycled
instead of vented or otherwise wasted, but that’s purely dreaming (aka
pie in the sky) because, we’ll likely not extract 4He from more than
10% of all that wellhead feedstock of raw natural gas, and we’ll
likely not recycle at any better than 10%, which means that 99% of the
4He inert aerosol that’s electrically reactive and otherwise a very
slippery molecule, is going to escape and continually affect the ozone
layer in a bad way by several means.

Speaking a little further of our not having enough of something
besides helium, gold, platinum and roughly a dozen some odd other
nifty elements or those combinations of highly consumable elements.
It seems Mars is in need of just about everything, however: “The
planet appears to be generating about 200 to 300 tonnes of methane
every year.” further proving that hydrocarbons can be created on the
fly without the demise and decay of any layers of organic life. At
least so far we have no sign of any significant Mars organics or
surface clues to any past existence that could even remotely account
for such a leakage or diffusion of 300 tonnes/year of CH4.
http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/63759-mars-methane-not-biological-in-origin

This is actually very good form of scientific news, in that the
considerable geology mass and complexity of our planet may be capable
of a natural replenishment of our hydrocarbons, at least partially
(somewhat like the decay of uranium and thorium creates helium that’s
supposedly worth 3000 tonnes/year, and with a great deal of applied
technology and spendy effort we might actually manage to capture
perhaps 3 tonnes/year, which is worth less than .01% of our current
4He needs), and it would thereby be highly gratifying to discover our
planet geology as capable of reproducing 3e9 m3/year of its CH4 that
could be continually tapped into. Of course this background annual
replenishment amount wouldn’t provide for even .1% of our consumption
that’s currently in excess of 3.65e12 m3/year, and by 2050 that amount
of draw could peak at 3.65e13 m3/year.

At least for this current and next generation we’re sitting pretty and
going great guns, however the 2050+ generations may be summarily
getting screwed unless they invent affordable fusion energy methods
that are not capable of becoming WMD (good luck with that one). Of
course thorium fueled reactors could have made energy relatively
failsafe, clean and dirt cheap as of decades ago, but since that
didn’t happen and those in charge have no intentions of ever allowing
it to happen, we’re all screwed and otherwise having to suffer and/or
die in bogus or false-flagged wars over the artificially imposed
wealth and intellectual disparity associated with hydrocarbon fuels
and the scarcity of a few other elements, because sharing is simply
not an option and allowing for off-world resourcing isn’t being
supported by those in charge which we never get to elect or appoint.

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We can continue sitting on our butts and hope for the best, or we can
at least allow others to help prepare ourselves and future generations
for the inevitable future of our having to make due with those badly
depleted elements, of which we’ve grown so found of exploiting.

If we Americans were to go after every last cubic meter of our natural
gas:
http://energyseminar.stanford.edu/sites/all/files/eventpdf/JohnCurtisStanfordShale.pdf
US = 1,836.4 Tcf (52e12 m3 of conventional plus shale and coalbed
natural gas)
Of that total amount, shale gas (frack extracted) = 616 Tcf.

Of course in order to get at most of that natural gas will take a
hundred thousand additional wells and a great deal of fracking in
addition to raw feedstock processing. Of all that extracted volume,
perhaps at most 0.1% being 4He = 1.836 Tcf (52e9 m3).

Supposedly our world has yet another 5e14~5e15 m3 of proven natural
gas reserves, and at one million wells and/or fracking sites = 5e8~5e9
m3 each.
If 0.1% of that global volume were 4He = 5e11~5e12 m3.
At .18 kg/m3 of 4He is 9e10 to 9e11 kg which should last us for quite
some time if it were specifically 100% extracted and 99% recycled
instead of vented or otherwise wasted, but that’s purely dreaming (aka
“pie in the sky”) because, we’ll likely not extract 4He from more than
10% of all that wellhead feedstock of raw natural gas, and we’ll
likely not recycle at any better than 10%, which means that 99% of the
4He inert aerosol that’s electrically reactive and otherwise a very
slippery molecule, is going to escape and continually affect the ozone
layer in a typically bad kind of way by several means.

Speaking a little further of our not having enough of something
besides helium, gold, platinum and roughly a dozen some odd other
nifty elements or those combinations of highly consumable elements
such as hydrocarbons. It seems Mars is in need of just about
everything, however: “The planet appears to be generating about 200 to
300 tonnes of methane every year.” further proving that hydrocarbons
can be created on the fly without the demise and decay of any layers
of organic life. At least so far we have no sign of any significant
Mars organics or surface clues to any past existence that could even
remotely account for such a leakage or diffusion of 300 tonnes/year of
CH4.
http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/63759-mars-methane-not-biological-in-origin

This is actually very good form of scientific news, in that the
considerable geology mass and complexity of our planet may be capable
of a natural replenishment of our hydrocarbons, at least partially
(somewhat like the decay of uranium and thorium creates helium that’s
supposedly worth 3000 tonnes/year, and with a great deal of applied
technology and spendy effort we might actually manage to capture
perhaps 3 tonnes/year, which is worth less than .01% of our current
4He needs), and it would thereby be highly gratifying to discover our
planet geology as capable of reproducing 3e9 m3/year of its CH4 that
could be continually tapped into. Of course this background annual
replenishment amount wouldn’t provide for even .1% of our consumption
that’s currently in excess of 3.65e12 m3/year, and by 2050 that amount
of draw could peak at 3.65e13 m3/year.

With our planet as hopefully producing its own natural methane at the
rate of something better than 3.65e9 m3/year is at best going to help
extend our mass consumption of it by at most 10% per century.
Hopefully the natural geology formation of producing new methane(CH4)
will turn out being worth a considerably greater volume than what I’ve
suggested, ideally 3.65e11 m3/yr would be a rather nice discovery. If
not the case, we’ll need to get ourselves considerably more efficient
at using up this hydrocarbon product unless you think it too is worth
going to war over, because off-world resourcing for methane is simply
at best a purely negative energy coefficient unless teleportation
becomes an option.

At least for this current and next generation we’re sitting pretty and
going great guns, however the 2050+ generations may be summarily
getting screwed unless they invent affordable fusion energy methods
that are not capable of becoming WMD (good luck with that one). Of
course thorium fueled reactors could have made energy relatively
failsafe, clean and dirt cheap as of decades ago, but since that
didn’t happen and those in charge have no intentions of ever allowing
it to happen, we’re all screwed and otherwise having to suffer and/or
die in bogus or false-flagged wars over the artificially imposed
wealth and intellectual disparity associated with hydrocarbon fuels
and the scarcity of a few other elements, because sharing is simply
not an option and allowing for off-world resourcing isn’t being
supported by those in charge which we never get to elect or appoint.

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So much for future K12 generations that'll get stuck with the tab of
their parents and grandparent generations of slackers that could care
less.

Google Groups and Usenet newsgroups are clearly mainstream saturated
with rusemasters and FUD-masters, just the way Oligarchs and
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At least by 2050 we should be start seeing some ozone hole closure,
and the value of helium taking off like a rocket as the natural gas
reserves that are tapped into keep offering less amounts of 4He, and
the global demand for it heads towards a ten fold increase over its
current level of demand. This rate of helium depletion is going to be
problematic and somewhat spendy for us, but eventually its scarcity
should become an environmental salvation once the vast bulk of helium
is forever gone.

Of course, a planet with less overall mass is also going to be less
thermally stable, meaning hotter by day and cooler by night. All
things equal, whereas the greater the mass of a planet the better
thermodynamic stabilized it'll be.

In further rethinking on behalf of this one; whereas perhaps the
sooner we manage to deplete our 1e10 kg or even 1e11 kg global
stockpile/cache of 4He and get down to fighting over the access as to
using 0.1% of the 3e6 kg/year that’s produced by uranium and thorium
(because the other 99.9% if not 99.99% should unavoidably diffuse and
get away into the atmosphere whereas it unavoidably escapes into
space), the better off for the greater biodiversity good of our planet
that’ll most likely need its protective ozone/O3 layer a whole lot
worse than it needs 4He, even though mother nature’s diffusion has
likely been (up till now) contributing at least ten fold (though quite
possibly a hundred fold) as much 4He per year goes naturally into the
atmosphere as we’ve managed to release per year. In other words,
we’ve been catching up with the natural diffusion of 4He.

Our future reductions of natural gas and of its helium as having
previously been venting or otherwise as not intentionally flaring and
thereby wasting our precious 4He, should make a tipping-point kind of
measurable difference in closing up those polar ozone holes that
really don’t need any extra lingering or migrating molecules of
natural gasses that include 4He in addition to our CFCs and HCFCs,
such as the aerosol of helium simulates a lofty molecular kind of
lubrication passing through any polar exosphere layer of O3. In other
words, the complex biodiversity on our world may need its protective
O3 a whole lot worse than its fission byproduct of 4He (not that
there’s anything we can effectively do to restrict the natural
geological diffusion and subsequent loss of helium from deep within).

My deductive thought all along, is why continually ignore and
subsequently waste such a nifty and versatile aerosol element like
4He, not to mention it’s minor sibling of 3He, especially if there’s
only 3e6 kg/year getting produced and realistically we can’t possibly
tap into and salvage more than 0.1% of that natural resource.
Personally I tend to interpret the internal reproduction process of
creating helium at 3.154e8 kg/year.

For a little extra argument sake; If there were only 3.154e8 kg being
naturally diffused as leaking away from Earth (10 kg/sec maintaining
our 5.24 ppm atmospheric saturation), and if the originating source of
uranium and thorium were only capable of contributing 10% of that
amount, seems to suggest that such a lofty element that doesn’t bond
with anything (including itself) and is somehow being held captive
within our atmosphere by way of something more complex than its lack
of atomic mass nor any molecular binding, and thereby its feeble
molecular specific gravity which isn’t hardly worth squat probably
shouldn’t stay with our planet as long as there’s a solar wind.

I’m currently rethinking along the fuzzy lines of Earth as having been
naturally releasing as much as 3.154e9 kg/year, which amounts to 100
kg/sec that might be required in order to sustain the 5.24 ppm,
because even at that much greater amount of 4He loss works out to an
average diffusion outflux rate of less than 2e-13 kg/m2/sec. Of
course this would also have to suggest the innards of Earth’s uranium
and thorium cache being either much older or those of considerably
greater volume and mass in order to keep up with even 1% of that
amount, and/or quite possibly there’s a composite of other internal
fission process of roughly 100 times greater activity than previously
thought. At least this annual 3.154e9 kg of 4He production might help
to explain those extremely deep and likely fission produced or
triggered earthquakes that are so deep within the mantel that they
have nothing whatsoever to do with any crustal plate tectonics.

Since there is still no direct/objective science on behalf of
quantifying the natural plus artificial global loss of helium,
hydrogen and a few other lofty elements, is what leaves some of us
investigative outsiders guessing and otherwise attempting to
deductively connect the dots, because our mainstream and K12 mantra of
having been specifying a natural radiological decay resource of
producing only 3e6 kg/year seems hardly sufficient if that internal
cache of uranium and thorium were the only prime source for having
created and sustained all of this lofty volume and mass of helium to
begin with. So, perhaps there’s either a much greater volume and mass
of uranium and thorium plus a few other elements producing it, or the
innards of our planet has been hiding a lot more of those deep geode
and mantel pockets of its original creation helium as safely stashed
away, just sitting there as gradually leaking and otherwise waiting
for nature or us to tap into.

Keeping in mind that even if the average extracted natural gas volume
of 3.65e12 m3/year (not inclusive of their own industry usage,
wellhead or refinery flarings, industry leakage, blowouts or natural
escapements) were only 0.1% 4He, is actually all by itself going to
represent a hell of a lot (3.65e9 m3/yr = 6.5e8 kg/yr) of artificially
pass-through or vented helium, and that’s not even accounting for all
of the oil and gas wellhead blowouts and/or feedstock losses plus
numerous natural geothermal gas vents continually taking place (mostly
under water), whereas a reasonably conservative estimate might become
3.154e9 kg, and perhaps the upper most all-inclusive extraction plus
all other forms of artificial and natural escapement of helium plus H2
and even a little O1 being in the outgoing ballpark of at least
3.154e10 kg/yr (1 t/sec) shouldn’t be all that unlikely. Not that
anyone in Google Groups or Usenet/newsgroups actually cares how much
mass Earth is losing, although they obviously care enough to topic/
author stalk and bash for all they can collectively muster.

Just for the record; it seems the Oligarch mafia of “Big Oil and Big
Energy” typically underreports anything that has fees, tariffs,
royalties or penalties associated, is perhaps a good enough reason why
we can’t trust their own numbers as to the volumes extracted, leaked,
blown-out or otherwise consumed and/or wasted in the process of doing
their business and getting their various hydrocarbon products to
market. For example, Canada allows the messy exploitation and export
of negative hydrocarbon energy, which more than doubles the carbon
footprint for consuming of those hydrocarbons (not to mention their
own local environmental impact that’s purely negative and left for
future generations to resolve and pay for), and otherwise BP Alaska
hasn’t been operating terribly far behind that extra big carbon
footprint policy (not to mention their Gulf blowout fiasco that we
also get to pay for in more ways than spendy fuel).

At any rate, eventually (by 2050) our planet should become 4He
deficient long before our spendy hydrocarbons run out (2150~2250), and
those off-world alternatives will then become quite necessary
regardless of their added risk, expense or possibly even lower cost
than anyone could have imagined, because off-world 4He may be only a
secondary byproduct for obtaining those other rare and more valuable
elements. At least by 2100 our polar ozone holes should greatly
shrink or possibly vanish, and by way of most scientific
interpretations of better protecting our environment, and that
inevitable lack of 4He would be a very good thing, because with the
ongoing demise of our geomagnetic force field that’s failing us at -.
1%/year, we’ll probably need all the added O3 protection we can get.

Problem is, the current K12+ educated awareness and the commercial
market value for this 4He simply isn’t sufficiently understood or
worth enough concern for the current hydrocarbon industry to
aggressively gather up and safely store for its future commercial and
retail use. So, for the moment the vast majority of this 4He is still
getting set free, and of those using it are not so terribly concerned
about having to protect or recycling it as long as the rest of us and
future generations are going to remain the clueless ones that’ll
always get to pay for fixing everything as well as paying whatever
extortion price for this soon to be depleted rare element of 4He that
Oligarchs and their Rothschild investors will no doubt get to charge
us as much as they like, that is unless some off-world resources come
to our rescue.

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Going by the null of any positive/constructive response in Google
Groups and Usenet/newsgroups, apparently the world doesn't need its
4He, and releasing it into the environment is totally harmless. Go
figure, how worthless and at the same time harmless helium supposedly
is. Of course Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less how much pure
4He will cost us, or what its scarcity does to anyone else, and
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Without our OCO mission and others similar, we can't reasonably
quantify what's leaving Earth and making our ozone holes worse than
ever. Of course our Big Oil, Big Industry and Big Energy types seem
to be at ease with any of this ongoing loss, especially when we
consumers always get to pay for everything (including their mistakes)
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Here are some basic questions for those of us that always claim to
know all there is to know, and then some.

Are there any elements or molecular combinations that our planet has
too much of?

Are there elements in commercial demand that are getting any easier
and cheaper to come by?

Is there any pending/foreseen shortages or shortfall of 4He?

Are there nearby off-world resources lacking or in surplus of 4He?

Can off-world resources supplement any elements other than 4He?

Can the limited resources of Earth manage to get us by on as little as
0.1% as much 4He as we’re currently using?

At least I'm not the only odd astrophysics research wizard that's
willing to interpret that our galaxy has trillions of spare wandering/
rogue nomad items wander outside of all the unified solar systems to
pick from, and those nomads should be especially numerous if we're
covering everything from Ceres on up to rogue gas giants (sub brown
dwarfs) with Earth sized moons, as potentially worthy of being
commercially exploited for whatever our world is in short supply of.

It seems even our solar system has been discovering a growing number
of far flung items that from time to time could get close enough for
our future exploitations to take advantage of, not to mention the
enormous volume of Oort cloud items associated with the Sirius star
system that's bearing down upon us at 7.5 km/sec in addition to
whatever proper motions of orbital encounter velocity, and unavoidably
picking up its SOA that'll get Sirius a lot closer than some have
previously suggested. This encounter with Sirius could even help with
our appreciating the “Cosmological Ice Ages” that needed an extra
stellar source of energy in order to thaw from each deep freeze.

Everything of our known universe supposedly started out with as much
as 26% helium, and rocky planets of considerable metallicity plus
sufficient gravity to hold onto most of our elements should hardly be
excluded from that initial creation phase from having contained some
initial amount of 4He, plus larger planets as having generated
millions of 4He tonnes per year, because supposedly our somewhat
little insignificant planet is still producing 3000 tonnes per year if
not having at least ten fold that amount created in addition to all of
the naturally diffused and artificially extracted 4He that’s released
along with our enormous volumes of other natural and artificial
aerosol gasses that are similar or lighter than air, shouldn’t be a
problem even at losing a couple tonnes/sec. However, the relatively
low molecular density of our atmospheric water vapor (50~100 Tt) is
barely protected by our thin atmosphere along with its ozone layer
plus a rather nifty geomagnetic force field (failing us by .1%/year)
backing that up.

So, as long as that tough ozone layer plus that of our geomagnetic
sphere or magnetic halo of protection isn’t becoming deficient or
otherwise dysfunctional, we’re good to go for the next billion some
odd years, as long as we no longer need our helium and a few other
rare elements in order to function. Make that longevity of our human
survival good for another century or two, before these rare element
shortages become deadly serious issues with few if any terrestrial
solutions, and consider that 4He could start becoming problematic
within this decade.

As Sheldon Cooper might say; “the statement stands by itself”

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At least by 2050 we should have been running low on 4He as well as
having been losing less CH4 for the past decade, and by those
reductions alone should start seeing some ozone hole closure, along
with the value of helium taking off like a rocket as the natural gas
reserves that we’re tapped into keep offering less amounts of 4He, and
the global demand for it heads towards a ten fold increase over its
current level of demand. However, this future rate of helium
depletion is going to become problematic and somewhat spendy for us,
but at least eventually its scarcity should become an environmental
salvation once the vast bulk of geologically stored helium is forever
gone and the atmospheric saturation falls back to 2.5 ppm or even 1
ppm once the value of it is substantial and new resources are getting
fewer and of lower saturation.

Of course a planet with a bit less overall mass is also going to be
less thermally stable, meaning hotter by day and cooler by night. All
things equal, whereas the greater the mass of a planet the better
thermodynamic stabilized it'll be. In addition to natural diffusion,
thus far we’ve drained/vented off yet another 3e12 ~ 3e13 kg of helium
and perhaps another 3e8 ~ 3e9 kg worth of 3He, each of which are
forever gone with the wind. However, adding whatever loss of hydrogen
and a few other lofty elements that the solar wind can extract could
be a little scary, but still that’s only at most the all-inclusive
loss representing less than .1% of our planet mass, which shouldn’t
hardly matter about such a small percentage loss, not to mention that
we’re operating on perhaps not 1% of the original atmospheric mass
which is currently thin and only worth 5.15e18 kg..

In further rethinking on behalf of this one; whereas perhaps the
sooner we manage to deplete our 1e11 kg or even 1e12 kg global
stockpile/cache of 4He and get down to fighting over the access as to
using 0.1% of the 3e6 kg/year that’s produced by uranium and thorium
(because the other 99.9% if not 99.99% should unavoidably diffuse and
get away into the atmosphere whereas it unavoidably escapes into
space), the better off for the greater biodiversity good of our planet
that’ll most likely need its protective ozone/O3 layer a whole lot
worse than it needs 4He, even though mother nature’s diffusion has
likely been (up till now) contributing at least ten fold as us (though
quite possibly a hundred fold) as much 4He per year goes away
naturally into the atmosphere as per what we manage to release per
year. In other words, we’ve only been catching up with the natural
diffusion and subsequent outflux of 4He.

In other words, our future reductions of consuming natural gas and of
its helium as having previously been venting or otherwise as not
intentionally flaring and thereby wasting our precious 4He, should
make for a tipping-point kind of a measurable difference in closing up
those polar ozone holes that really don’t need any extra lingering or
migrating molecules of natural gasses that include 4He in addition to
our CFCs and HCFCs, such as the added aerosol of helium simulates a
lofty molecular kind of lubrication passing through any polar
exosphere layer of O3. In other words, the complex biodiversity on
our world may need its protective O3 a whole lot worse than its
fission byproduct of 4He (not that there’s anything we can effectively
do to restrict the natural geological diffusion and subsequent loss of
helium from deep within).

My deductive thought all along, is why continually ignore and
subsequently waste such a nifty and versatile aerosol element like
4He, not to mention it’s minor sibling of 3He, especially important if
there’s only 3e6 kg/year getting produced and realistically we can’t
possibly tap into and salvage more than 0.1% of that natural
resource. Personally I tend to interpret the internal reproduction
process of creating helium at a level of at least 3.154e8 kg/year if
not 3.15e9 kg/year which is still going to be insufficient if we can
only manage to capture at most 0.1% of it.

For a little extra argument sake; If there were only 3.154e8 kg being
naturally diffused as leaking away from Earth (10 kg/sec maintaining
our 5.24 ppm atmospheric saturation), and if the originating source of
uranium and thorium were only capable of contributing 10% of that
amount, seems to suggest that such a lofty element that doesn’t bind
nor otherwise bond with anything (including itself) and is somehow
being held captive within our atmosphere by way of something more
complex than its lack of atomic mass nor any molecular binding, and
thereby its feeble molecular specific gravity which isn’t hardly worth
squat probably shouldn’t stay with our planet as long as there’s a
solar wind.

I’m currently rethinking along the fuzzy lines of Earth as having been
naturally releasing as much as 3.154e9 kg/year, which only amounts to
100 kg/sec that might be required in order to sustain the 5.24 ppm,
because even at that much greater amount of 4He loss works out to an
average diffusion outflux rate of less than 2e-13 kg/m2/sec. Of
course this would also have to suggest the innards of Earth’s uranium
and thorium cache being either much older or those of considerably
greater volume and mass in order to keep up with even 1% of that
amount, and/or quite possibly there’s a composite of other internal
fission process of roughly 100 times greater activity than previously
thought. At least this annual 3.154e9 kg of 4He production might help
to explain those extremely deep and likely fission produced or
triggered earthquakes that are so deep within the mantel that they
have nothing whatsoever to do with any crustal plate tectonics.

Since there is still no direct/objective science on behalf of
quantifying the natural plus artificial global loss of helium,
hydrogen and a few other lofty elements (including the considerable GW
worthiness of methane that’s actually 25 fold worse than CO2, as well
as CH4 being much more lofty and because those heavier molecules of
CO2 hardly get anywhere near the ozone layer), is what leaves some of
us investigative outsiders guessing and otherwise attempting to
deductively connect these usually nondisclosure or “need-to-know”
dots, because our mainstream and K12 mantra of having been specifying
a natural radiological decay resource of producing only 3e6 kg/year of
4He seems hardly sufficient if that internal cache of uranium and
thorium were the only prime source for having created and sustained
all of this lofty volume and mass of helium to begin with. So,
perhaps there’s either a much greater volume and mass of uranium and
thorium plus a few other elements producing helium, or the innards of
our planet has been hiding a lot more of those deep geode and mantel
pockets of its original creation helium as safely stashed away, just
sitting there as gradually leaking and otherwise waiting for nature or
us to tap into.

Keeping in mind that even if the average extracted natural gas volume
of 3.65e12 m3/year (not inclusive of their own industry usage,
wellhead or refinery flarings, industry leakage, blowouts or natural
escapements) were only 0.1% 4He, is actually all by itself going to
represent a hell of a lot (3.65e9 m3/yr = 6.5e8 kg/yr) of artificially
pass-through or vented helium, and that’s not even accounting for all
of those oil and gas wellhead blowouts and/or feedstock losses from
piping leakage, processing and transporting or redistributing leakage
plus numerous natural geothermal gas vents continually taking place
(<90% of those from under thawing tundra, ice and water), whereas a
reasonably conservative estimate of what humans release of 4He might
become 3.154e9 kg, and perhaps the upper most all-inclusive extraction
plus all other forms of artificial and natural escapement of helium
plus H2 and even a little O1 being in the outgoing ballpark of at
least 3.154e10 kg/yr (1 t/sec) shouldn’t be all that unlikely if not
greater than double that amount. Not that anyone in Google Groups or
Usenet/newsgroups actually cares how much mass Earth is losing,
although they obviously care more than enough to topic/author stalk
and bash for all they can collectively muster.

Just for the record; it seems the Oligarch mafia of “Big Oil and Big
Energy” typically underreports anything that has fees, tariffs,
royalties or penalties associated, is perhaps a good enough reason why
we can’t seriously trust their own numbers as to the volumes
extracted, leaked, blown-out or otherwise consumed and/or wasted in
the process of doing their business and getting their various
hydrocarbon products to market. For example, Canada allows the messy
exploitation and export of negative hydrocarbon energy, which more
than doubles the carbon footprint for the consuming of those
hydrocarbons (not to mention their own local environmental impact
that’s purely negative and left for future generations to resolve and
pay for), and otherwise BP Alaska hasn’t been operating terribly far
behind that extra big carbon footprint policy (not to mention their
Gulf blowout fiasco that we also get to pay for in more ways than
spendy fuel).

At any rate, eventually (by 2050) our planet should become 4He
deficient long before our spendy hydrocarbons run out (2150~2250), and
those off-world alternatives will then become quite necessary
regardless of their added risk, expense or possibly even lower cost
than anyone could have imagined, because off-world 4He may be only a
secondary byproduct for obtaining those other rare and more valuable
elements. At least by 2100 our polar ozone holes should greatly
shrink or possibly vanish, and by way of most scientific
interpretations of better protecting our environment, and that our
inevitable lack of 4He would be a very good thing, because with the
ongoing demise of our geomagnetic force field that’s failing us at -.
1%/year, we’ll probably need all the added O3 protection we can get.

Problem is, the current K12+ educated awareness and the commercial
market value for this 4He simply isn’t sufficiently understood or
worth enough concern for the current hydrocarbon industry to bother
with aggressively gathering it up and safely storing for its future
commercial and retail use. So, for the moment the vast majority of
this 4He is still getting set free in addition to all that’s naturally
diffusing, and of those using it are not so terribly concerned about
their having to protect or recycling it as long as the rest of us and
future generations are going to forever remain the clueless ones
that’ll always get to pay for fixing everything as well as paying
whatever extortion price for this soon to be depleted rare element of
4He, that Oligarchs and their Rothschild investors will no doubt get
to charge us as much as they like, that is unless some off-world
resources come to our rescue (which even within the foreseeable future
is highly unlikely since Buck Rogers never existed and those better
animated replacement space-age heroes are as unreal as our republic
that thinks we have a democratic nation that isn’t so bad off from
being run by any mafias of Oligarchs and Rothschilds).

Even our President (democrat puppet) broke wind again by letting it
slip out that supposedly the privet sector economy is doing fine and
dandy. (cough… cough… cough! yeah right, as though he has ever had to
actually work a real private sector job or having to run a private
sector business for a living, because lets face it that being a puppet
doesn’t really count, though not that republicans have anything as
good nor much less any better to offer). With our government too big
to fail is perhaps why they can’t let onto the truth about Big Oil and
Big Energy sticking it to us while trashing the environment at the
same time.

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Earth w/o helium by 2050 (some favor by 2030):

Instead of 4He discharging O3 and thus allowing itself and O1s to
become easily solar wind blown away, whereas if we could only hold
onto our 4He and essentially forever reutilize its molecular
immorality to our advantage, sounds like a good plan considering what
it’s going to cost if we’re having to import if from some moon or
other planet.

What myself and only a few others here are talking about are those
pesky tipping points, and not the all-or-nothing kind of singular
definitive culprits or yet another one of those do-everything kind of
solutions that’ll fix absolutely everything under the sun (though
relocating our moon to Earth L1 and interactively keeping it there
would probably cover the most bases on behalf of resolving our GW+AGW
for millenniums to come).

Actually our planet will never run out of 4He, because there’s going
to always be its internal cache of uranium and thorium making perhaps
at least 3.65e7 kg/year, of which we should be able to tap into 0.1%
of it in order to extract 3.65e4 kg/year, and along with 99% recycling
and otherwise being extremely conservative as to its usage should do
the trick of getting us by. However, its value per kg could soar to
$1M, which means refilling the LHC refrigeration system from a total
blowout could cost us an extra $100B.

Collectively, along with the natural helium upwelling and its
unavoidable diffusion/leakage from deep natural geology, we humans
have measurably increased that level of ongoing global mass loss, in
addition to contributing those much heavier CFCs, plus contributing
our 70 TW with all sorts of polluting considerations that are
typically nasty and even lethal to life as we know it, as either
artificial to the surface and atmospheric environment when they manage
to accelerate whatever ongoing demise nature has already been doing to
us (such as thawing us out from the last ice-age this planet w/moon
will ever see).

It’s probably from this ongoing loss of helium plus methane aerosols
that’s doing the most polar ozone layer damage, but it’s those
mainstream FUD-masters as our peers that want us to think otherwise.
Gee whiz, it’s as though they have some kind of Big Oil, Natural Gas
and even Coal Energy investments at risk, and would rather not discuss
any ozone depletion issues if associated with helium implications, and
is probably why they terminated our OCO mission was just a little
extra damage-control insurance in case anyone else picks up on this
loss of helium and methane as having been highly detrimental to our
environment, while our planet keeps losing mass at roughly 2+ t/sec
can’t possibly be a good thing.

Another conservative mass loss estimate:
“But by far the biggest factor in earth's weight loss are the 95,000
tonnes of hydrogen that escape from the atmosphere every year. 'The
other very light gas this is happening to is helium and there is much
less of that around, so it's about 1,600 tonnes a year of helium that
we lose.' Taking all the factors into account, Smith reckons the Earth
is getting about 50,000 tonnes lighter a year”

The all-inclusive global loss of hydrogen and especially helium that
doesn’t bind with anything, is more likely worth at least ten fold
greater (if not passing a hundred fold) than most of us as K12+
indoctrinated minions to the mainstream status-quo are willing to
accept, thereby far exceeding the most recently updated influx as
quantifying Earth receiving 5e4 tonnes/year of dust and meteorites. I
tend to favor reinterpreting the best available science that’ll
suggest a net loss of at least 5e5 t/year is being entirely
conservative, whereas a better notion of losing 3.15e9 t/year would at
least account for sustaining our usage plus restocking the atmosphere
with 5.24 ppm 4He, that is unless our helium and hydrogen exosphere is
simply forever expanding and somehow other than gravity sticking with
us in spite of the solar wind. Perhaps by 2050 is when that greatly
reduced loss of 4He will bring our global mass loss per year down to a
dull roar of 3.15e6 t/year (100 kg/sec) and by 2100 down to the
diffusion rate of only losing 3.15e5 t/year (10 kg/sec), which should
also greatly reduce or eliminate those gaping polar ozone holes.

For certain, with less global ice volume and no apparent geoengineered
shade or improved albedo in sight (global dimming being the exact
opposite of what we need), we’ll have unstable global thermodynamics
and even less global hydrodynamic cycle stability to work with, plus
lots of increased erosion that’s also going into the drink and making
oceans rise, so either of those outcomes are not exactly making
environmental factors or the economy for this or future generations
any better. Future generations will also be paying dearly for just
about everything that truly matters, because in addition to the lack
of helium plus their own technology and energy consuming stuff,
they’ll also have to pick up the tab for whatever their parents and
grandparents did or having failed to do when the time was right and a
whole lot cheaper to fix or even prevent in the first place.

As a political solution, if we were given a third political party of
scientology/technocrats may become just as useless as the two
dysfunctionals we got, because there are a number of outsiders as
Oligarchs and Rothschilds that’ll retain their wealth and authority
over whomever we elect or appoint. Perhaps instead of always passing
the debt along to the next generation, we need to look at the past and
to allow our K12 textbooks of history to get revised in order to
reflect upon the whole truth and nothing but the truth, because as
long as history can’t be revised in order to reflect the best
available evidence and truths, it really doesn’t matter how many
political parties or alternative social/political policies we have to
pick from.

In order to fix some of this global technology and wealth disparity
mess, seems we can’t get from here to there without involving further
complications of doom and gloom, such as increasing social/political
disparity and having to survive wars. With so many government
agencies in less than independent good status, along with insider
trading running wild and even government agencies overlapping and
participating and/or enabling others of their elite oligarchs to get
away with extortion, fraud and thus perpetrate treasonous acts against
our republic and the world, it’s hard to tell how deep of house
cleaning will be necessary. If all else fails, perhaps bagging the
whole mafia lot and gassing so that each and every oligarch and faith-
based cockroach and their termite assistants hidden among us are
exterminated, as such may become the only viable option, plus going
after the increased wealth, security and authority of their family and
friends can’t be overlooked any more so than our too-big-to-fail
government and their contacted mercenaries that needs to get trimmed
by at least 50%, can’t be put off much longer.

Once Earth is sufficiently drained or vented and having to get by
without its usual supply of helium is also when affordable science,
physics and a great deal of advanced medical technology comes to a
halt, not to mention any terrestrial sustained hope of 3He fusion (in
other words, those conventional MOX fueled reactors and all of their
spendy and nasty consequences are here to stay). The good news, by
2050 our polar ozone holes should close once and for all, because
those HCFCs and CFCs like R12 actually had almost nothing to do with
such openings, along with global reserves of stored and natural helium
will have been exhausted, and the rate of 4He replenishment will
likely not cover .1% of future global needs and thereby forcing 4He
conservation and 99.9% recycling seems doable.

So, future generations not only get to pay more for most everything
(especially if it’s energy consuming and/or advanced technology
related that needs 4He), but they’ll also get to do without helium
unless they can afford to pay $100/scf (90% deposit refunded upon
recycling) and/or don’t terribly mind going to war over its scarce
availability, so that insider market speculations and hoarding by
oligarchs can continue as unregulated with their living large
regardless of whomever we elect or appoint. No wonder our Steven Chu
as our resident energy wizard has been keeping himself out of sight.

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Perhaps ozone holes and getting rid of 4He as well as draining off raw
natural gas as fast as possible, is a good thing.
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Without our OCO mission and others similar, we can't reasonably
quantify what's leaving Earth and making our ozone holes worse than
ever. Of course our Big Oil, Big Industry and Big Energy types seem
to be at ease with any of this ongoing loss, especially when we
consumers always get to pay for everything (including their mistakes)
no matters what goes down or rather up, up and away as with the case
of aerosols like 4He and CH4.

Going by the null of any positive/constructive response in Google
Groups and Usenet/newsgroups, apparently the world needs its ozone
holes and doesn't need its 4He, and releasing it as well as methane
into the environment is totally harmless. Go figure, how worthless
and at the same time harmless helium and CH4 supposedly is. Of course
Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less how much pure 4He will
eventually cost us, or what its scarcity does to anyone else, and
apparently so what if either makes the ozone holes worse than ever.

Thus far (over the past 4.5 billion years) our planet has lost
roughly .5% of its original plus accumulated mass that used to be
collectively worth nearly 6e24 kg, though as having lost this .5% mass
(3e22 kg) by mostly natural means of outgassing. A loss of 3e22 kg is
actually no big deal unless whatever portions of that mass reduction
were those of somewhat highly valuable assets, like helium.

From the very get-go, the initial influx of mass contributed at least
ten fold as much as we’ve lost, which gave our planet the net gain of
being roughly 3e21 kg heavier than it started out. However, the vast
majority of that influx process subsided as of 500 million some odd
years ago, and ever since the outflux has far exceeded influx, with
the brief exception of those pesky impacts which terminated most (75+
%) of life on Earth as of 66~64 million years ago, and the reasonable
odds are that we might even get another of those nasty contributions
from the Sirius Oort cloud long before getting nailed by that holy
grail (cosmic mother lode) of contributions from the Andromeda galaxy.

As of the past couple centuries the outgoing raw natural gas
exploitation has been substantially increasing and having been
contributing to a considerably greater rate of mass exiting than
incoming mass. As of lately our ongoing outflux of methane and helium
has become the leading culprit of greatest value and concern,
partially because we need to use 4He for many other functions than
disrupting our ozone and filling party balloons, and there’s simply no
viable alternative nor sufficient supply for that element or any
alternative utilizations if the ongoing depletion of our hydrocarbons
continues to accelerate and basically nothing of any conservative
policy is ever done on behalf of fully capturing and recycling 4He.
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If all goes according to plan, we can certainly continue sitting on
our butts and hope for the best, or we can at least allow others to
help prepare ourselves and future generations for the inevitable fact
of our having to make due without those badly depleted elements, of
which we’ve grown so found of exploiting.

Going after every last cubic meter of our natural gas:
http://energyseminar.stanford.edu/sites/all/files/eventpdf/JohnCurtisStanfordShale.pdf
US = 1,836.4 Tcf (52e12 m3 of conventional plus shale and coalbed
natural gas)
Of that total amount, shale gas (frack extracted) = 616 Tcf.

Of course in order to get at most of that natural gas will take a
hundred thousand additional wells and a great deal of fracking in
addition to raw feedstock processing. Of all that extracted volume,
perhaps at most 0.1% being 4He = 1.836 Tcf (52e9 m3).

Supposedly our world has yet another 5e14~5e15 m3 of proven natural
gas reserves, and at one million wells and/or fracking sites = 5e8~5e9
m3 each.
If 0.1% of that global volume were 4He = 5e11~5e12 m3.
At .18 kg/m3 of 4He is 9e10 to 9e11 kg which should last us for quite
some time if it were specifically 100% extracted and 99% recycled
instead of vented or otherwise wasted, but that’s purely dreaming (aka
“pie in the sky”) because, we’ll likely not extract 4He from more than
10% of all that wellhead feedstock of raw natural gas, and we’ll
likely not recycle at any better than 10%, which means that 99% of the
4He inert aerosol that’s electrically reactive and otherwise a very
slippery molecule, is going to escape and continually affect the ozone
layer in a typically bad kind of way by several means.

Speaking a little further of our not having enough of something
besides helium, gold, platinum and roughly a dozen some odd other
nifty elements or those combinations of highly consumable elements
such as hydrocarbons. It seems Mars is in need of just about
everything, however: “The planet appears to be generating about 200 to
300 tonnes of methane every year.” further proving that hydrocarbons
can be created on the fly without the demise and decay of any layers
of organic life. At least so far we have no sign of any significant
Mars organics or surface clues to any past existence that could even
remotely account for such a leakage or diffusion of 300 tonnes/year of
CH4.
http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/63759-mars-methane-not-biological-in-origin

This is actually very good form of scientific news, in that the
considerable geology mass and complexity of our planet may be capable
of a natural replenishment of our hydrocarbons, at least partially
(somewhat like the decay of uranium and thorium creates helium that’s
supposedly worth 3000 tonnes/year, and with a great deal of applied
technology and spendy effort we might actually manage to capture
perhaps 3 tonnes/year, which is worth less than .01% of our current
4He needs), and it would thereby be highly gratifying to discover our
planet geology as capable of reproducing 3e9 m3/year of its CH4 that
could be continually tapped into. Of course this background annual
replenishment amount wouldn’t provide for even .1% of our consumption
that’s currently in excess of 3.65e12 m3/year, and by 2050 that amount
of draw could peak at 3.65e13 m3/year.

With our planet as hopefully producing its own natural methane at the
rate of something better than 3.65e9 m3/year is at best going to help
extend our mass consumption of it by at most 10% per century.
Hopefully the natural geology formation of producing new methane(CH4)
will turn out being worth a considerably greater volume than what I’ve
suggested, ideally 3.65e11 m3/yr would be a rather nice discovery. If
not the case, we’ll need to get ourselves considerably more efficient
at using up this hydrocarbon product unless you think it too is worth
going to war over, because off-world resourcing for methane is simply
at best a purely negative energy coefficient unless teleportation
becomes an option.

At least for this current and next generation we’re sitting pretty and
going great guns, however the 2050+ generations may be summarily
getting screwed unless they invent affordable fusion energy methods
that are not capable of becoming WMD (good luck with that one). Of
course thorium fueled reactors could have made energy relatively
failsafe, clean and dirt cheap as of decades ago, but since that
didn’t happen and those in charge have no intentions of ever allowing
it to happen, we’re all screwed and otherwise having to suffer and/or
die in bogus or false-flagged wars over the artificially imposed
wealth and intellectual disparity associated with hydrocarbon fuels
and the scarcity of a few other elements, because sharing is simply
not an option and allowing for off-world resourcing isn’t being
supported by those in charge which we never get to elect or appoint.

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Off world accomplishments can include the planet Venus, and as such
they do not have to be limited as to extracting rare and/or valuable
elements that’ll be consumed by Earth. Once we’ve set at least a
robotic/android foot on another viable planet or moon, we can also go
about accomplishing the same kinds of terraforming cultivation by
supplying the necessary technology and influx of complex life,
somewhat like Darwin did to Ascension Island.
http://www.globalwhisperer.com/2010/09/ascension-island-darwins-best-kept-secret/

This method would essentially assist the natural cosmic evolution
process, by giving this other planet or moon a few billion years
advantage over the otherwise random happenstance process that might
never happen without our assistance.

Of course the usual gauntlet of closet Jesus freaks, as pretend
Atheists and diehard FUD-master Oligarchs will instantly object to any
of this as even a remote possibility, simply because I mentioned it
first. Of course I’m not by any means the first to have suggested off-
world cultivations of complex life, though perhaps I’m one of the few
that’s doing it seriously and not as some sci-fi joke. At least
Arthur C Clarke and a few dozen others would have understood.

The really good news is that other metallicity of perfectly good value
is coming to us, so that we may not have to go off-world in order to
chase it down and latch onto it. The bad news is that some of these
items will be of sufficient size, density and velocity that they’ll
make a rather noticeable dent in our planet as they arrive, while
others may be sufficiently massive enough (of equal or greater mass
than Earth) that even a near-miss could prove highly problematic by
disrupting our satellites and even causing some tidal and seismic
issues that could easily become a little more trauma and excitement
than most of us will ever experience or manage to survive.

Billions of years from now, as the Andromeda galaxy with its black
holes runs into our galaxy at 300+ km/sec (+/- rotational
differentials), eventually those black holes plus everything else
nearby are going to strongly interact with our black holes and
whatever nearby stuff, and pretty much nothing about either galaxy
will ever be the same again.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/multimedia/cid42.html

Our NASA and their usual hoards of brown-nosed supporters claiming
that nothing much will happen to us upon encountering Andromeda, is
like our President BHO having stated that the private sector economy
is doing just fine. Of course we now have the Sirius Oort cloud of
perhaps at least a thousand fold more items and mass, that’s flung out
by 8 ly radii and already capable of interacting with our Oort cloud
of 1+ ly radii, could be extremely interesting as this arriving
gauntlet of such far flung items zoom past us with little if any
warning.

The JWST could help identify and track some of these cool interstellar
nomad intruders, so as to give our private enterprise of off-world
mining expertise first crack at them as they pass nearby. Otherwise
we can just sit back and watch the show of what billions of icy Oort
items and eventually a few perturbed Kuiper Belt asteroids start
arriving, and because of the number of such plus the amount of
gravitational influence from those Sirius stars and their vast
collection of dark and cool items will be upon us for quite some time
before we eventually reestablish the 8+ ly distance from each other.

Of course one of the best off-world rocks of terrific metallicity and
already situated in a highly stable orbital status, plus according to
our NASA, Apollo and most everything else of our public-funded guys
and gals that always claim as having “the right stuff”, whereas it
seems our physically dark moon is offering a treasure trove of rare
and valuable elements, none the less including some water.
Unfortunately, we still have no documented nor even a viable prototype
fly-by-rocket lander technology that’ll safely get us to/from the
naked surface of our moon, much less into those cryogenic polar
craters where supposedly all that surface exposed raw ice is hidden,
so that wearing those cryogenic-proof moonsuits we don’t even have to
bother digging for it. Of course we’ve yet to see any objective proof
of such cryogenic stored ice, other than taking the word of those
having indirectly interpreted their public-funded science as having
been suggesting that such water-ice does exist, even though the hard
vacuum of 3e-15 bar plus local geothermal heat plus some secondary IR
influx (including earthshine) hasn’t managed to sublime any such
surface exposed ice (obviously it’s extremely dirty ice because
there’s still nothing reflective enough to suggest actual raw ice).

My bet is that such off-world water associated with our naked and
physically dark moon has to be securely trapped within geode pockets
or layers within and under that extremely thick and paramagnetic crust
of fused basalt and carbonado. So we’d also need to develop, deploy
and maintain a large number of TBMs in order to go after those kinds
of hard-rock elements of any value hidden within and under that thick
paramagnetic basalt crust, and because of our dysfunctional DARPA and
NASA it seems we do not have any of that fly-by-rocket deployment
capability on their drawing boards, or even in “Etch A Sketch” format,
so it’s looking as unlikely that we’ll be prepared to take advantage
of or much less defend ourselves from whatever comes our way this
century, and the next century will have to be accomplished with even
fewer terrestrial resources (such as having hardly any 4He and
hydrocarbons costing us ten fold more than nowadays).

There’s also our extremely nearby planet Venus to pillage and plunder,
whereas TBMs shouldn’t even be necessary, nor all that practical being
that the surface crust of Venus is relatively thin and so geothermally
hot to begin with, and otherwise naturally spewing and venting
elements like crazy:
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Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314

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Interesting as hell, how the resident mainstream Oligarchs have been
allowing this one to slide down the stack of topics. It's as though I
have uncovered yet another one of their LLPOF policies. The truth
about the ongoing loss of helium(4He) and a few other endangered
elements (including CH4 and O3) is hitting too close to their mafia
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